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Posted: 19 February 2013 at 9:57pm

Mahdi, you sound like the rapper kids in the hall. Just get a great big bling cross on a gangsta chain. Pull your pants down half way, wear your baseball cap almost backwards. That's what they told me. Jesus saves man, what more do you need to know?

I'm a Gentile.
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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:12pm

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Edited by Caringheart - 20 February 2013 at 12:24pm

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:14pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Hebrews 5:7
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7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

Salam,
yes, according to the words written in the present day Bible you quoted it appears that Jesus did not die on the cross, rather God saved him from such a humiliating death. As a beloved servant of God, he was rescued as we know from the Quran, God's final word.
These words are not unclear: "that was able to save him from death"

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:24pm

¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

(the words of Jesus)

Edited by Caringheart - 20 February 2013 at 12:25pm

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 5:40pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

¹⁸No
man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay
it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I
received of my Father.

¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

(the words of Jesus)

Caringheart, i do not know the chapter from which you quoted, but the verses below clearly show that Jesus begged to be spared from death, 3times at that, while in a state of distress/anxiety to the point of death.[ Yet some will still claim he is God]

Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”

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Posted: 20 February 2013 at 11:08pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Caringheart

¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay
it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I
received of my Father.

¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

(the words of Jesus)

Greetings Mahdi,

You can just go on interpreting the way you want to, and never open your eyes to the Truth if that's what you want.

This whole thread has already addressed that part of the issue that you wish to keep returning to as though it had not been addressed.

Salaam,
CH

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Posted: 21 February 2013 at 1:33am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Caringheart

¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

¹⁸No
man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay
it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I
received of my Father.

¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

(the words of Jesus)

Greetings Mahdi,You can just go on interpreting the way you want to, and never open your eyes to the Truth if that's what you want.This whole thread has already addressed that part of the issue that you wish to keep returning to as though it had not been addressed.Salaam,CH

do not get mad when i quote verses from the Bible to refute your claims.

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Posted: 21 February 2013 at 6:42pm

Greetings Mahdi,

I'm not mad. You just don't get it and want to sound like a parrot.
Just don't be surprised on judgement day when you are sent a direction you never intended to go. Wink

salaam,
CH

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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 19 February 2013 at 9:57pm
	Mahdi, you sound like the rapper kids in the hall. Just get a great big bling cross on a gangsta chain. Pull your pants down half way, wear your baseball cap almost backwards. That's what they told me. Jesus saves man, what more do you need to know?
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:12pm
	^{. double post} Edited by Caringheart - 20 February 2013 at 12:24pm
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:14pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* Hebrews 5:7 English Standard Version (ESV) 7 In the days of his flesh, Jesus[a] offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Salam, yes, according to the words written in the present day Bible you quoted it appears that Jesus did not die on the cross, rather God saved him from such a humiliating death. As a beloved servant of God, he was rescued as we know from the Quran, God's final word. These words are not unclear: "that was able to save him from death" Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 20 February 2013 at 12:24pm
	¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. ¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. ¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. ¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. ¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. ¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. ¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (the words of Jesus) Edited by Caringheart - 20 February 2013 at 12:25pm
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 20 February 2013 at 5:40pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* <span id="en-KJV-26499">¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26500">¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26501">¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26501"></span> <span id="en-KJV-26493">¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26495">¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26496">¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26497">¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.</span> <span id="en-KJV-26497">(the words of Jesus)</span> Caringheart, i do not know the chapter from which you quoted, but the verses below clearly show that Jesus begged to be spared from death, 3times at that, while in a state of distress/anxiety to the point of death.[ Yet some will still claim he is God] Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!”
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 20 February 2013 at 11:08pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* ¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. ¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. ¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. ¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. ¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. ¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. ¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (the words of Jesus) Caringheart, i do not know the chapter from which you quoted, but the verses below clearly show that Jesus begged to be spared from death, 3times at that, while in a state of distress/anxiety to the point of death.[ Yet some will still claim he is God] Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!” Greetings Mahdi, You can just go on interpreting the way you want to, and never open your eyes to the Truth if that's what you want. This whole thread has already addressed that part of the issue that you wish to keep returning to as though it had not been addressed. Salaam, CH
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 21 February 2013 at 1:33am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* ¹⁷Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. ¹⁸No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. ¹⁹There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. ¹¹I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. ¹³The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. ¹⁴I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. ¹⁵As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. (the words of Jesus) Caringheart, i do not know the chapter from which you quoted, but the verses below clearly show that Jesus begged to be spared from death, 3times at that, while in a state of distress/anxiety to the point of death.[ Yet some will still claim he is God] Mark 14:32-42 They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” 33 He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34 “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death,” he said to them. “Stay here and keep watch.” 35 Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Simon,” he said to Peter, “are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38 Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak.” 39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him. 41 Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42 Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!” Greetings Mahdi,You can just go on interpreting the way you want to, and never open your eyes to the Truth if that's what you want.This whole thread has already addressed that part of the issue that you wish to keep returning to as though it had not been addressed.Salaam,CH do not get mad when i quote verses from the Bible to refute your claims.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 21 February 2013 at 6:42pm
	Greetings Mahdi, I'm not mad. You just don't get it and want to sound like a parrot. Just don't be surprised on judgement day when you are sent a direction you never intended to go. salaam, CH
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