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Posted: 10 February 2013 at 6:07am

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in this case, the catholics seem to be following the Bible more closely since their belief is based on the Bible on this point. since the basis of power to forgive sins comes from the Holy Spirit and all christians have it, then they should all be able to forgive sins, according to the Bible.

Greetings Mahdi,If you forgive someone who has trespassed against you, have you not just forgiven them their sin?

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

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Posted: 11 February 2013 at 2:56pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

Greetings Mahdi,

How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?

Salaam,
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Posted: 12 February 2013 at 10:46am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart

so,for disciples to be able to forgive those who wronged them, they had to have the 'Holy Spirit' breathed into them? you do not need the Holy Spirit breathed into you to forgive those who wrong you, that is how i know that is not the forgiveness being referred to in those Bible verses quoted.

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Posted: 12 February 2013 at 1:03pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by bunter

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

john 20:19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.

21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins but they do have the authority to say that one puts their trust in the atoning work of Jesus then sins are forgiven.

the plain and obvious thing here is that you deliberately chose to ignore what the verse says and assigned your own unrelated belief to the verse. that you said 'The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins' shows you understand the meaning. what you said after shows you are either in denial, delusional or both.

But when I read that quote, yes it says what it says: "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven". I know it is incorrect to say, only God can forgive sins. We can forgive those who do wrong against us, but to forgive someone's sins like this quote suggests is not and cannot be true.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 12 February 2013 at 1:07pm

This quote from Matthew 6:15 makes sense and is right, if you forgive others, God will forgive you your mistakes.
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. But the above quotes are saying something completely different.
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 13 February 2013 at 11:15am

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart

Greetings Mahdi,

Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me. It is not within my purely human nature to do so. I need the grace of God.

Salaam,
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Posted: 16 February 2013 at 2:43am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.

Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart

Greetings Mahdi,Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me. It is not within my purely human nature to do so. I need the grace of God.Salaam,Caringheart

so, before Jesus came, nobody could forgive anybody anything. Caringheart, please put some more thought in your replies.

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Posted: 17 February 2013 at 2:00pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

so, before Jesus came, nobody could forgive anybody anything. Caringheart, please put some more thought in your replies.

Greetings Mahdi,
Did nobody have the grace of God before Jesus came?
Salaam,
Caringheart

Edited by Caringheart - 17 February 2013 at 2:01pm

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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 10 February 2013 at 6:07am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* in this case, the catholics seem to be following the Bible more closely since their belief is based on the Bible on this point. since the basis of power to forgive sins comes from the Holy Spirit and all christians have it, then they should all be able to forgive sins, according to the Bible. Greetings Mahdi,If you forgive someone who has trespassed against you, have you not just forgiven them their sin? that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 11 February 2013 at 2:56pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about. Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to? Salaam, Caringheart
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 12 February 2013 at 10:46am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about. Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart so,for disciples to be able to forgive those who wronged them, they had to have the 'Holy Spirit' breathed into them? you do not need the Holy Spirit breathed into you to forgive those who wrong you, that is how i know that is not the forgiveness being referred to in those Bible verses quoted.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 12 February 2013 at 1:03pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by bunter* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* john 20:19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. 21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins but they do have the authority to say that one puts their trust in the atoning work of Jesus then sins are forgiven. the plain and obvious thing here is that you deliberately chose to ignore what the verse says and assigned your own unrelated belief to the verse. that you said 'The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins' shows you understand the meaning. what you said after shows you are either in denial, delusional or both. But when I read that quote, yes it says what it says: "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven". I know it is incorrect to say, only God can forgive sins. We can forgive those who do wrong against us, but to forgive someone's sins like this quote suggests is not and cannot be true. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 12 February 2013 at 1:07pm
	This quote from Matthew 6:15 makes sense and is right, if you forgive others, God will forgive you your mistakes. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. But the above quotes are saying something completely different. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 13 February 2013 at 11:15am
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about. Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart so,for disciples to be able to forgive those who wronged them, they had to have the 'Holy Spirit' breathed into them? you do not need the Holy Spirit breathed into you to forgive those who wrong you, that is how i know that is not the forgiveness being referred to in those Bible verses quoted. Greetings Mahdi, Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me. It is not within my purely human nature to do so. I need the grace of God. Salaam, Caringheart
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 16 February 2013 at 2:43am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about. Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart so,for disciples to be able to forgive those who wronged them, they had to have the 'Holy Spirit' breathed into them? you do not need the Holy Spirit breathed into you to forgive those who wrong you, that is how i know that is not the forgiveness being referred to in those Bible verses quoted. Greetings Mahdi,Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me. It is not within my purely human nature to do so. I need the grace of God.Salaam,Caringheart so, before Jesus came, nobody could forgive anybody anything. Caringheart, please put some more thought in your replies.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 17 February 2013 at 2:00pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* so, before Jesus came, nobody could forgive anybody anything. Caringheart, please put some more thought in your replies. Greetings Mahdi, Did nobody have the grace of God before Jesus came? Salaam, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 17 February 2013 at 2:01pm
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