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Posted: 15 February 2013 at 9:07am

Originally posted by Empiricist

It is difficult to understand what this verse is saying. The translation seems incorrect. The english grammer is not correct and confuses the meaning. What does or the torment be brought to them face to face? mean?

What is the passage trying to say?

Ok Mr. Empiricist fair enough. It's saying that the disbelievers would only believe when the punishment like that of Prophet Nuh's flood, the baked clay (sijjil) of Prophet Lut, earthquakes of Aad and Thamud etc. Try this translation

Sahih International

And nothing has prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them and from asking forgiveness of their Lord except that there [must] befall them the [accustomed] precedent of the former peoples or that the punishment should come [directly] before them.

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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 11:12pm

Abu Loren wrote: Good quotations from the Bible, but it just re-inforces that Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) was the Prophet and Messiah of God.

What does it mean to be Messiah of God? Is that not unique and holy? Are not the words of Jesus accurate in the Bible?

Jesus was unique in that he was God's special creation to be the perfect human. Do we not want to heed the words of Jesus? All of them, not just what we like?

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Posted: 24 February 2013 at 11:18pm

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by Empiricist

What is the passage trying to say?

Sahih International

So I will believe in Muhammed if there is a flood or something? Some kind of severe punishment that could even kill me? I suppose I might say anthing to save my skin in such a situation. But this is not true belief. One does not believe in something by force. One only needs to look at what Jesus did.

Edited by Empiricist - 24 February 2013 at 11:19pm

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Posted: 25 February 2013 at 6:48am

Originally posted by Empiricist

Jesus was unique in that he was God's special creation to be the perfect human

Do you worship Jesus, the creation of God?

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Posted: 26 February 2013 at 2:32pm

Asalamu Calykum all,

Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance.

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Posted: 27 February 2013 at 10:57am

Originally posted by Idil

Asalamu Calykum all,

Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance.

Thank you Idil,

I am also certain that a similar thread with reference to muslims and muslim belief, would never have been allowed, and even if it were, would it have received the same patient replies?

"Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance." Thumbs%20Up

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Posted: 28 February 2013 at 12:58pm

What do you find despicable? A christian tells you to worship Jesus, that he died for your sins, and if you don't worship him you're doomed to hell, and Mohammad is a false prophet, and God is three persons in one, and to worship and glorify something other than Allah (subhanaho wa ta'ala) etc. Don't you agree that worshiping Jesus is shirk? What does the Quran say about shirk?

Now what's better, to ignore them and let them continue with this shirk or to advise them and make them aware of the consequences of shirk? What would our beloved prophet expect from us because he cares for all of us believers and non-believers?

Despicable is a strong word. There is nothing to be ashamed of, there is no hate. If I said something that makes you ashamed then you better tell me what it is I said and be clear about it.

Edited by Rational - 28 February 2013 at 5:12pm

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Posted: 28 February 2013 at 3:12pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

I am also certain that a similar thread with reference to muslims and muslim belief, would never have been allowed, and even if it were, would it have received the same patient replies?

Caringheart, can you explain what you mean? Did muslims offend you in this thread?

Edited by Rational - 28 February 2013 at 5:10pm

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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 15 February 2013 at 9:07am
	*Originally posted by Empiricist* It is difficult to understand what this verse is saying. The translation seems incorrect. The english grammer is not correct and confuses the meaning. What does or the torment be brought to them face to face? mean? What is the passage trying to say? Ok Mr. Empiricist fair enough. It's saying that the disbelievers would only believe when the punishment like that of Prophet Nuh's flood, the baked clay (sijjil) of Prophet Lut, earthquakes of Aad and Thamud etc. Try this translation Sahih International And nothing has prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them and from asking forgiveness of their Lord except that there [must] befall them the [accustomed] precedent of the former peoples or that the punishment should come [directly] before them.
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Empiricist Male Christian Groupie Joined: 26 February 2012 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 41	Posted: 24 February 2013 at 11:12pm
	Abu Loren wrote: Good quotations from the Bible, but it just re-inforces that Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) was the Prophet and Messiah of God. What does it mean to be Messiah of God? Is that not unique and holy? Are not the words of Jesus accurate in the Bible? Jesus was unique in that he was God's special creation to be the perfect human. Do we not want to heed the words of Jesus? All of them, not just what we like?
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Empiricist Male Christian Groupie Joined: 26 February 2012 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 41	Posted: 24 February 2013 at 11:18pm
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* *Originally posted by Empiricist* It is difficult to understand what this verse is saying. The translation seems incorrect. The english grammer is not correct and confuses the meaning. What does or the torment be brought to them face to face? mean? What is the passage trying to say? Ok Mr. Empiricist fair enough. It's saying that the disbelievers would only believe when the punishment like that of Prophet Nuh's flood, the baked clay (sijjil) of Prophet Lut, earthquakes of Aad and Thamud etc. Try this translation Sahih International And nothing has prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them and from asking forgiveness of their Lord except that there [must] befall them the [accustomed] precedent of the former peoples or that the punishment should come [directly] before them. So I will believe in Muhammed if there is a flood or something? Some kind of severe punishment that could even kill me? I suppose I might say anthing to save my skin in such a situation. But this is not true belief. One does not believe in something by force. One only needs to look at what Jesus did. Edited by Empiricist - 24 February 2013 at 11:19pm
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Posted: 25 February 2013 at 6:48am
	*Originally posted by Empiricist* Jesus was unique in that he was God's special creation to be the perfect human Do you worship Jesus, the creation of God?
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Idil Female Islam Groupie Joined: 12 September 2012 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 44	Posted: 26 February 2013 at 2:32pm
	Asalamu Calykum all, Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 27 February 2013 at 10:57am
	*Originally posted by Idil* Asalamu Calykum all, Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance. Thank you Idil, I am also certain that a similar thread with reference to muslims and muslim belief, would never have been allowed, and even if it were, would it have received the same patient replies? "Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance." Salaam, Caringheart
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Posted: 28 February 2013 at 12:58pm
	*Originally posted by Idil* Asalamu Calykum all, Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance. What do you find despicable? A christian tells you to worship Jesus, that he died for your sins, and if you don't worship him you're doomed to hell, and Mohammad is a false prophet, and God is three persons in one, and to worship and glorify something other than Allah (subhanaho wa ta'ala) etc. Don't you agree that worshiping Jesus is shirk? What does the Quran say about shirk? Now what's better, to ignore them and let them continue with this shirk or to advise them and make them aware of the consequences of shirk? What would our beloved prophet expect from us because he cares for all of us believers and non-believers? Despicable is a strong word. There is nothing to be ashamed of, there is no hate. If I said something that makes you ashamed then you better tell me what it is I said and be clear about it. Edited by Rational - 28 February 2013 at 5:12pm
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Posted: 28 February 2013 at 3:12pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* I am also certain that a similar thread with reference to muslims and muslim belief, would never have been allowed, and even if it were, would it have received the same patient replies? Caringheart, can you explain what you mean? Did muslims offend you in this thread? Edited by Rational - 28 February 2013 at 5:10pm
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