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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 1:03pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

I will hope you do justice to the name you choose and take a rational look at the links that I provided. Smile

You too "caringheart"

Edited by Rational - 17 January 2013 at 1:20pm

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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 1:38pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

What it means 'that Jesus takes away our sins', is that our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us. No other sacrifice offered... bulls, goats, sheep, etc. ... ever stung anyone's conscience enough to bring about change... but the sacrifice made by Jesus, and the Love that brings, when we accept Him...

This is not justice to any rational person.

"our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us..."

Innovation is your trademark.

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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 3:18pm

Originally posted by Rational

Where does 'justice' come into it? Were we discussing justice?
and whose justice?

I don't think you took the time to try and process any of what I was saying, which makes me sad. Unhappy

Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 3:22pm

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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 3:19pm

Originally posted by Rational

Originally posted by Caringheart

I will hope you do justice to the name you choose and take a rational look at the links that I provided. Smile

You too "caringheart"

Does this mean you took look at the links I provided.
I have always taken time to look at what is presented to me.

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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 10:44pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Every soul is responsible for it's own sins otherwise I could go out tomorrow and murder uncaringheart and give that sin to Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) Astaghfirullah!

No you couldn't Abu, because if you did such a thing it would mean that you do not have Jesus. Having accepted the sacrifice of Jesus means that you could never do such a thing because you would knowingly be committing a sin and yes, you would answer for it.

Having the sacrifice of Jesus is all about repenting from sinful ways.

Yes but what if he murders you first, then repents?

God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:41am

Originally posted by nospam001

but what if he murders you first, then repents?

Good point I also want to know? LOL

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 5:25am

Originally posted by TG12345

Originally posted by TG12345

I have other examples but because of time constraints will leave it here for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

Originally posted by W.S.

Thanks for the reply! For now, I'll just say that I have discerned a couple of cracks before, and now more of them appeared. Take care yourself!

Originally posted by TG12345

Salaam Alaikum, W.S.

Wa aleikum asalaam! Sorry about my late and ridiculously short response. I too, have other things to do than being here. Also, reading posts and putting your thoughts into words in English is time-consuming. Posting as much as I'd like would have me sit here around the clock.

Originally posted by TG12345

I just wanted to say that although I believe it is very evident that there are a lot of 'cracks' in what Islam teaches, there is also a lot of good in it as well.

Your faith correctly teaches there is one God. It correctly teaches that He is good. It teaches that He sent prophets, and it teaches that He wants the world to come to know Him. It correctly teaches respect to parents, care for the vulnerable, disdain of adultery, fornication, homosexuality and other sins. It teaches many good things.

It does!

Originally posted by TG12345

It does not promote murdering non-Muslims. It does not promote terrorism. It does not promote pedophilia. It does not teach the many evil things that people who are bigoted towards it and towards Muslims claim it does.

It does not!

Originally posted by TG12345

It does, however, tragically deny what God for us on the cross.

God or Jesus? Make up your minds already!

Originally posted by TG12345

As you look at the 'cracks' in Islam, remember to keep God first in your mind though. Do not allow them to take you away from Him. Remember that none of us are perfect, and do not allow the cracks you see to judge either Muhammad or your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters who do love Him and believe they are serving and worshiping Him to the best of their ability.

That's good advice!

Originally posted by nospam001

[quote=W.S.]I'll just say that I have discerned a couple of cracks before, and now more of them appeared.

Speaking of cracks, how about verses 50:6 and 67:3, as discussed recently in the topic Literal or figurative: the sky 'has no cracks'...

Interesting and very entertaining!

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 6:54am

Originally posted by W.S.

Interesting and very entertaining!

WS delete your religion as Islam from your profile as I can tell you to your face that you are not a Muslim. First of all you do not pray five times a day at the stipulated times which is the cornerstone of Islam, hence you are out of the fold of Islam.

You have one chance of redemption that is to sincerely repent to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala for your doubts. But if you do that then leave Islam again then you will NEVER be forgiven.

So be careful from whom you take advise.

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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 180	Posted: 17 January 2013 at 1:03pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* I will hope you do justice to the name you choose and take a rational look at the links that I provided. You too "caringheart" Edited by Rational - 17 January 2013 at 1:20pm
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 180	Posted: 17 January 2013 at 1:38pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* What it means 'that Jesus takes away our sins', is that our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us. No other sacrifice offered... bulls, goats, sheep, etc. ... ever stung anyone's conscience enough to bring about change... but the sacrifice made by Jesus, and the Love that brings, when we accept Him... This is not justice to any rational person. "our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us..." Innovation is your trademark.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 17 January 2013 at 3:18pm
	*Originally posted by Rational* *Originally posted by Caringheart* What it means 'that Jesus takes away our sins', is that our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us. No other sacrifice offered... bulls, goats, sheep, etc. ... ever stung anyone's conscience enough to bring about change... but the sacrifice made by Jesus, and the Love that brings, when we accept Him... This is not justice to any rational person. "our sinful nature, through belief, and love for His great sacrifice, is replaced with a conscience that is continually convicting us, and admonishing us, when we are tempted toward sin. This is the way the sacrifice of Jesus saves us..." Innovation is your trademark. Where does 'justice' come into it? Were we discussing justice? and whose justice? I don't think you took the time to try and process any of what I was saying, which makes me sad. Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 3:22pm
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 17 January 2013 at 3:19pm
	*Originally posted by Rational* *Originally posted by Caringheart* I will hope you do justice to the name you choose and take a rational look at the links that I provided. You too "caringheart" Does this mean you took look at the links I provided. I have always taken time to look at what is presented to me.
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nospam001 Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 02 October 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 150	Posted: 17 January 2013 at 10:44pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Abu Loren* Every soul is responsible for it's own sins otherwise I could go out tomorrow and murder uncaringheart and give that sin to Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) Astaghfirullah! No you couldn't Abu, because if you did such a thing it would mean that you do not have Jesus. Having accepted the sacrifice of Jesus means that you could never do such a thing because you would knowingly be committing a sin and yes, you would answer for it. Having the sacrifice of Jesus is all about repenting from sinful ways. Yes but what if he murders you first, then repents?
	God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 180	Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:41am
	*Originally posted by nospam001* but what if he murders you first, then repents? Good point I also want to know?
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W.S. Guest Group Joined: 14 August 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 88	Posted: 18 January 2013 at 5:25am
	*Originally posted by TG12345* *Originally posted by TG12345* I have other examples but because of time constraints will leave it here for now. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. *Originally posted by W.S.* Thanks for the reply! For now, I'll just say that I have discerned a couple of cracks before, and now more of them appeared. Take care yourself! *Originally posted by TG12345* Salaam Alaikum, W.S. Wa aleikum asalaam! Sorry about my late and ridiculously short response. I too, have other things to do than being here. Also, reading posts and putting your thoughts into words in English is time-consuming. Posting as much as I'd like would have me sit here around the clock. *Originally posted by TG12345* I just wanted to say that although I believe it is very evident that there are a lot of 'cracks' in what Islam teaches, there is also a lot of good in it as well. Your faith correctly teaches there is one God. It correctly teaches that He is good. It teaches that He sent prophets, and it teaches that He wants the world to come to know Him. It correctly teaches respect to parents, care for the vulnerable, disdain of adultery, fornication, homosexuality and other sins. It teaches many good things. It does! *Originally posted by TG12345* It does not promote murdering non-Muslims. It does not promote terrorism. It does not promote pedophilia. It does not teach the many evil things that people who are bigoted towards it and towards Muslims claim it does. It does not! *Originally posted by TG12345* It does, however, tragically deny what God for us on the cross. God or Jesus? Make up your minds already! *Originally posted by TG12345* As you look at the 'cracks' in Islam, remember to keep God first in your mind though. Do not allow them to take you away from Him. Remember that none of us are perfect, and do not allow the cracks you see to judge either Muhammad or your fellow Muslim brothers and sisters who do love Him and believe they are serving and worshiping Him to the best of their ability. That's good advice! *Originally posted by nospam001* [quote=W.S.]I'll just say that I have discerned a couple of cracks before, and now more of them appeared. Speaking of cracks, how about verses 50:6 and 67:3, as discussed recently in the topic Literal or figurative: the sky 'has no cracks'... Interesting and very entertaining!
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 18 January 2013 at 6:54am
	*Originally posted by W.S.* Interesting and very entertaining! WS delete your religion as Islam from your profile as I can tell you to your face that you are not a Muslim. First of all you do not pray five times a day at the stipulated times which is the cornerstone of Islam, hence you are out of the fold of Islam. You have one chance of redemption that is to sincerely repent to Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala for your doubts. But if you do that then leave Islam again then you will NEVER be forgiven. So be careful from whom you take advise.
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