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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Topic: The Final Hurdle of becoming a Muslim is
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As'alaamu Alaikkum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu
(Peace, Mercy and Blessings of Allah be upon you)
So your curiosity is aroused about Islam. You've heard this and that but mostly bad things from your parents and friends. Then you decide to check it out for yourself. You read the Holy Qur'an and the Hadiths, you check out the life of Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) and to your amazement you realis that you have been sold a big lie.
You want to believe that there is only One God, that all the Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all) of God were sent to warn people who were astray. Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) is the Messiah and a mighty Prophet of God. He is fully human like you and me, therefore worshipping him like a god is wrong. God has always been outside of his creation.
You find out the truth for yourself, yet there still remains a nagging doubt. You are sure but at the same time you want to deny that truth. What would family and friends say? Am I a traitor to my religion and to my people? The agony of doubt remains for a while but each day your reslove is getting stronger. I know the truth and I don't care what people say. I want my soul to be saved. I want to spend eternity with God my Maker rather than spending eternity burning in hell.
So the final hurdle is yourself. You must overcome yourself and decide what is more important. Looking from the outside, overcoming this hurdle is really simple. You just find two witnesses and declare the Shahada "Ashadu anla Ilaha Illallah wa ashadu anna Muhammadan abduhu rasooluhu". I declare that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
If you take the Shahada and submit yourself wholly to God and become a Muslim, then the trials and tribulations will begin. Satan will work overtime to put doubts in your mind, your family and friends may disown you, you may feel all alone and helpless and without hope. Just remember at this time that people who really love you will never leave you at a time like this and you only need God to be at your side. The closer you are to God, the more fulfilling your life is. Family and friends may abandon you but only God will be with you always and forever.


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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 1:58pm
and once you take the Shahada, if you have doubts and find you have made a mistake, too bad... no way out. Unhappy
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 6:32pm
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and once you take the Shahada, if you have doubts and find you have made a mistake, too bad... no way out. Unhappy
 
Caringheart go to hell you demon!
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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 6:56pm
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and once you take the Shahada, if you have doubts and find you have made a mistake, too bad... no way out. Unhappy
 
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Caringheart go to hell you demon!


Abu Loren... seriously? Resorting to calling another poster a "demon"? Telling her to go to hell?

Stooping down to name calling and insults shows not only a lack of courtesy but also calls to question whether you have any apologetics or rebuttals to offer. It is also against the rules of this forum.


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This kind of trashtalk and insults is something I saw used on CARM by some Islamophobic evangelicals. I am an evangelical Christian myself, and always called these jerks on it when they insulted Muslims. I really didn't think you would be behaving like them.

I feel sorry for you, bro. Praying for you that God frees you of your hatred and draws you to Him.



Caringheart, it is to my understanding that Islam does not teach that people who leave the faith are to be killed, but this was only for those who fought the Muslims after leaving Islam.


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Quote Nausheen Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 9:07pm
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Caringheart, it is to my understanding that Islam does not teach that people who leave the faith are to be killed, but this was only for those who fought the Muslims after leaving Islam.



Apostacy is another very complicated issue for non-muslims, like so many others they found in islam.

If an apostate does not voice their choices openly, the sharia has nothing to do with them and it is not the business of common people to punish them under any circumstances.
If they really want to make public of their choice, then they better go out of darul-haram, ie out of a land which is ruled by islamic sharia.

...And, there are very many details to how and when the sharia deals with an apostate.

Punishment of apostacy is indeed a death sentence.

As for those who enter islam in western countries, if realize later that they have made a mistake, there is no problem ... they can do whatever they like.

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 9:10pm
I feel bad for the upset that I caused to Abu Loren. I just am stating what I, and others, see in the doctrine of Islam. If I am wrong I have always been open to hearing the other side, but I also feel it is important to discuss the issues as they present to the world.

There is a criticism also of Christianity, where ministers are quick to invite visitors to church to come forward and say the Jesus prayer and misleads people into believing that by saying this prayer they are saved. It grows the church, it can make the preacher look good, but does not save souls for God. The difference in Christianity is there is no penalty for falling away, except on one's own soul when you face God one day. There is no human condemnation for apostasy.

It has been seen in Islam to practice human condemnation for having 'wrong' beliefs. This is simply a fact and something that everyone should consider before making such an important decision. I do not think one can really learn about Islam though without first joining the ranks. I see this as a problem.   Once you're in, no way out.  You are bound to the religion and its requirements.


note:  I am accustomed to speaking freely...
and, it is not as though my faith has not been challenged and insulted many times...
even the opening post of this thread is an attack on my faith and belief.


Edited by Caringheart - 30 January 2013 at 4:48pm
Let us seek Truth together
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by TG12345


Caringheart, it is to my understanding that Islam does not teach that people who leave the faith are to be killed, but this was only for those who fought the Muslims after leaving Islam.



Apostacy is another very complicated issue for non-muslims, like so many others they found in islam.

If an apostate does not voice their choices openly, the sharia has nothing to do with them and it is not the business of common people to punish them under any circumstances.
If they really want to make public of their choice, then they better go out of darul-haram, ie out of a land which is ruled by islamic sharia.

...And, there are very many details to how and when the sharia deals with an apostate.

Punishment of apostacy is indeed a death sentence.

As for those who enter islam in western countries, if realize later that they have made a mistake, there is no problem ... they can do whatever they like.



Greetings Nausheen,

I do mean this reply with all due respect to you because I do respect you and I do care about your belief.
"Apostacy is another very complicated issue for non-muslims"
I think apostasy is a complicated issue not just for non-muslims but for the muslim as well.  One that must be addressed.
"Punishment of apostacy is indeed a death sentence. "
By who?  Does your allah say that humans are to carry this out upon one another... or is it meant that they condemn themselves to death, rather than eternal life, at judgement day when they meet their maker?
"As for those who enter islam in western countries, if realize later that they have made a mistake, there is no problem ... they can do whatever they like. "
... until Islam comes to their country... then they may be in for something they didn't bargain for... their loss of freedom to choose... of 'no compulsion in religion'.

Salaam,
Caringheart


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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 January 2013 at 10:12pm
Abu Loren,

I understand that you completely believe in what you believe in,
but I do not.  You have been free to challenge me, have you not?  I also challenge what you believe.

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