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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 02 January 2013 at 2:50pm


I also heard talk of this when I was in the West Bank in 2010 with ISM and CPT. This may be now being discussed as a policy, but the idea was already circulating before that.

In the West Bank, especially Hebron, the settlers and IDF work together to make life so difficult for Palestinian families that eventually they will leave their homes. It is a form of slow and to many people invisible ethnic cleansing.

There are no mass graves or concentration camps like in Bosnia or Darfur.

Rather, there are the everyday humiliations at checkpoints, beating and house invasions, the occasional murder, restricting access to necessities like water. The world is watching and for the most part doing nothing.
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 02 January 2013 at 4:42pm

I really like the idea of taking a payout and emigrating for a better future.  It would also be nice to offer those who are still refugees in neighboring countries an opportunity for collecting funds and moving to the west.  There are plently of Muslims in the west so Palestininans should have a somewhat soft landing, and many likely have family in the west already.

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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 02 January 2013 at 6:01pm
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I really like the idea of taking a payout and emigrating for a better future.  It would also be nice to offer those who are still refugees in neighboring countries an opportunity for collecting funds and moving to the west.  There are plently of Muslims in the west so Palestininans should have a somewhat soft landing, and many likely have family in the west already.


I think that those who want to leave should not be criticized for doing so. However, I am opposed to the ethnic cleansing.

 I think it is horrible of Israel to make lives for these people a living nightmare and then pay them a small sum to leave and never come back. This should be confronted.

I think it is also shameful how Arab countries have treated the Palestinian refugees living in them.


The solution I think is not to have Palestinians leave or Israelis leave. The solution is an agreement where they both live in peace, dignity and have equal rights. The land belongs to them both.

Anything less would be an injustice.
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Quote whitelion553 Replybullet Posted: 03 January 2013 at 11:12am

Leaders Speech to Government Officials on the EidalFitr

This words are belong to leader of Iran

(mind of most of muslems )

Day of Quds the rallies which once again gave a fresh impetus to the issue of Palestine in the international arena although the issue of Palestine will always remain alive The issue of Palestine is not among the issues to be forgotten by Muslim nations Bygone is the day when the usurpers of Palestine and their international supporters assumed that the issue of Palestine would fall into oblivion Today the falsity of this assumption has been revealed by the allout resistance and perseverance of the Palestinian nation Today the usurpers of Quds have become more aware of the significant and momentous status of Palestine compared with fifty years ago In those days they thought that Palestine was a forgotten spot in the world They called Palestine an uninhabited land But of course some drawbacks and shortcomings also contributed to this wrong assumption However today the situation is quite different Today the Palestinian people are standing firm and the hearts of other Muslim nations are filled with zeal and devotion to the cause of Palestinians The Islamic world should never forget the issue of Palestine It is a grave mistake if one holds the view that the Islamic governments backing off in the face of arrogant powers on the issue of Palestine will appease these powers As a matter of fact the frequent backing off on the part of Islamic governments has prompted the arrogant US government to nurture the vain dream of dominating the Middle East The United States is dreaming of a region totally under its influence and domination but today the reality on the ground is something else The silence of Islamic governments and their passivity on the political and international scene will make arrogant powers especially US administration even more impudent and insolent We hold a fair and logical stance on the issue of Palestine Several decades ago Egyptian statesman Gamal Abdel Nasser who was the most popular Arab personality stated in his slogans that the Egyptians would throw the Jewish usurpers of Palestine into the sea Some years later Saddam Hussein the most hated Arab figure said that he would put half of the Palestinian land on fire But we would not approve of either of these two remarks We believe according to our Islamic principles that neither throwing the Jews into the sea nor putting the Palestinian land on fire is logical and reasonable Our position is that the Palestinian people should regain their rights Palestine belongs to Palestinians and the fate of Palestine should also be determined by the Palestinian people The issue of Palestine is a criterion for judging how truthful those claiming to support democracy and human rights are in their claims The Islamic Republic of Iran has presented a fair and logical solution to this issue We have suggested that all native Palestinians whether they are Muslims Christians or Jews should be allowed to take part in a general referendum before the eyes of the world and decide on a Palestinian government Any government that is the result of this referendum will be a legitimate government Under that Palestinian government criminals like Sharon and others who have committed crimes in Palestine should stand trial at a competent court of justice It is also up to that government to decide about the fate of those who have immigrated to Palestine from various parts of the world This is a logical solution to the Palestinian issue Today millions of Palestinians are living as refugees in various countries and millions of other Palestinians are living in camps under the worst circumstances but other people are living in the Palestinian territories This is not fair and reasonable The fact that some 50 or 55 years has since passed would not obliterate the crime that has been committed against Palestinians or reduce its severity In the contemporary world there have been countries whose governments were for some 50 or 60 years run by those who did not belong to those nations But later the situation changed and the usurpers were ousted For instance following the collapse and disintegration of the former Soviet Union many countries were once again governed by their own nations Such things are possible and not unprecedented in the world They have occurred in our time and before our eyes This is also what should take place in Palestine and it will sooner or later happen Today Muslim nations are experiencing an awakening and the Islamic Ummah is an undeniable reality of the present world The hearts of Muslim nations are filled with deep hatred for bullying and domineering powers and usurpers If these nations find an opportunity they will all support and champion the cause of the Palestinian people The raising of the banner of Islam by the Islamic Republic of Iran has infused other Muslim nations with great hopes and aspirations This is the main reason for the enmity of arrogant powers toward our country By the favor of Allah these hopes and aspirations will yield positive results We should realize that backing off in the face of arrogant powers will make them even more audacious but resistance of Muslim nations and their standing up to domineering powers will thwart these powers in their goals and cause their failure Despite all their propaganda and ballyhoo the worlds arrogant powers do not wield infinite power You can see that in Iraq what the United States had wished for did not materialize Today what is happening in Iraq is not what US officials had hoped for Nevertheless atrocious crimes are currently being committed in Iraq and innocent people are killed every day as a result of vicious acts of terrorism We are deeply suspicious of American and Israeli intelligence services with regard to these acts of terrorism since they are the ones who will benefit from the current situation in Iraq Security in Iraq is not in the occupiers interest What provides a pretext for their continued occupation and domination of Iraq is insecurity in that country Thus they are the ones who are suspected with regard to the current acts of terrorism in Iraq However the Iraqi nation is not the kind of nation to accept or submit to US hegemony and domination I pray to Almighty Allah to awaken us Muslims and make us familiar with our duties so that we may further contribute to the honor dignity and prosperity of the Islamic Ummah through our efforts and endeavors I also pray to the Almighty to bestow success on Muslim nations and assist them in performing their responsibilities I hope the Iranian nation and other Muslim nations will soon witness the positive results of their sincere efforts and endeavors Greetings be upon you and Allah`s mercy and blessings.
2005/11/04

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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 04 January 2013 at 4:26am
Originally posted by whitelion553

Leaders Speech to Government Officials on the EidalFitr

This words are belong to leader of Iran

(mind of most of muslems )

Day of Quds the rallies which once again gave a fresh impetus to the issue of Palestine in the international arena although the issue of Palestine will always remain alive The issue of Palestine is not among the issues to be forgotten by Muslim nations Bygone is the day when the usurpers of Palestine and their international supporters assumed that the issue of Palestine would fall into oblivion Today the falsity of this assumption has been revealed by the allout resistance and perseverance of the Palestinian nation Today the usurpers of Quds have become more aware of the significant and momentous status of Palestine compared with fifty years ago In those days they thought that Palestine was a forgotten spot in the world They called Palestine an uninhabited land But of course some drawbacks and shortcomings also contributed to this wrong assumption However today the situation is quite different Today the Palestinian people are standing firm and the hearts of other Muslim nations are filled with zeal and devotion to the cause of Palestinians The Islamic world should never forget the issue of Palestine It is a grave mistake if one holds the view that the Islamic governments backing off in the face of arrogant powers on the issue of Palestine will appease these powers As a matter of fact the frequent backing off on the part of Islamic governments has prompted the arrogant US government to nurture the vain dream of dominating the Middle East The United States is dreaming of a region totally under its influence and domination but today the reality on the ground is something else The silence of Islamic governments and their passivity on the political and international scene will make arrogant powers especially US administration even more impudent and insolent We hold a fair and logical stance on the issue of Palestine Several decades ago Egyptian statesman Gamal Abdel Nasser who was the most popular Arab personality stated in his slogans that the Egyptians would throw the Jewish usurpers of Palestine into the sea Some years later Saddam Hussein the most hated Arab figure said that he would put half of the Palestinian land on fire But we would not approve of either of these two remarks We believe according to our Islamic principles that neither throwing the Jews into the sea nor putting the Palestinian land on fire is logical and reasonable Our position is that the Palestinian people should regain their rights Palestine belongs to Palestinians and the fate of Palestine should also be determined by the Palestinian people The issue of Palestine is a criterion for judging how truthful those claiming to support democracy and human rights are in their claims The Islamic Republic of Iran has presented a fair and logical solution to this issue We have suggested that all native Palestinians whether they are Muslims Christians or Jews should be allowed to take part in a general referendum before the eyes of the world and decide on a Palestinian government Any government that is the result of this referendum will be a legitimate government Under that Palestinian government criminals like Sharon and others who have committed crimes in Palestine should stand trial at a competent court of justice It is also up to that government to decide about the fate of those who have immigrated to Palestine from various parts of the world This is a logical solution to the Palestinian issue Today millions of Palestinians are living as refugees in various countries and millions of other Palestinians are living in camps under the worst circumstances but other people are living in the Palestinian territories This is not fair and reasonable The fact that some 50 or 55 years has since passed would not obliterate the crime that has been committed against Palestinians or reduce its severity In the contemporary world there have been countries whose governments were for some 50 or 60 years run by those who did not belong to those nations But later the situation changed and the usurpers were ousted For instance following the collapse and disintegration of the former Soviet Union many countries were once again governed by their own nations Such things are possible and not unprecedented in the world They have occurred in our time and before our eyes This is also what should take place in Palestine and it will sooner or later happen Today Muslim nations are experiencing an awakening and the Islamic Ummah is an undeniable reality of the present world The hearts of Muslim nations are filled with deep hatred for bullying and domineering powers and usurpers If these nations find an opportunity they will all support and champion the cause of the Palestinian people The raising of the banner of Islam by the Islamic Republic of Iran has infused other Muslim nations with great hopes and aspirations This is the main reason for the enmity of arrogant powers toward our country By the favor of Allah these hopes and aspirations will yield positive results We should realize that backing off in the face of arrogant powers will make them even more audacious but resistance of Muslim nations and their standing up to domineering powers will thwart these powers in their goals and cause their failure Despite all their propaganda and ballyhoo the worlds arrogant powers do not wield infinite power You can see that in Iraq what the United States had wished for did not materialize Today what is happening in Iraq is not what US officials had hoped for Nevertheless atrocious crimes are currently being committed in Iraq and innocent people are killed every day as a result of vicious acts of terrorism We are deeply suspicious of American and Israeli intelligence services with regard to these acts of terrorism since they are the ones who will benefit from the current situation in Iraq Security in Iraq is not in the occupiers interest What provides a pretext for their continued occupation and domination of Iraq is insecurity in that country Thus they are the ones who are suspected with regard to the current acts of terrorism in Iraq However the Iraqi nation is not the kind of nation to accept or submit to US hegemony and domination I pray to Almighty Allah to awaken us Muslims and make us familiar with our duties so that we may further contribute to the honor dignity and prosperity of the Islamic Ummah through our efforts and endeavors I also pray to the Almighty to bestow success on Muslim nations and assist them in performing their responsibilities I hope the Iranian nation and other Muslim nations will soon witness the positive results of their sincere efforts and endeavors Greetings be upon you and Allah`s mercy and blessings.
2005/11/04


No offence, but I couldn't care less about what Ahmedinejad thinks.

While he decries the occupation of Palestine, he is hypocritically occupying parts of Kurdistan and his soldiers have fired artillery at the Kurdish people and have killed small children as well. He has had his own people shot to death in the streets for opposing him.

He is as credible in my opinion on issues of human rights and freedom as George W Bush or Benjamin Netanyahu.


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dear friend,i must say 2 important  issue to you
1:iran is the best country and respect to all kind of religions special to other religions.people of kurdestan are our dears and we like them they are our brothers and sisters.we live here and you say us what is going in IranBig%20smile
enemies of islam and our dear country dont want see peace and safety in iran and want that creat war among sunni and shia but we will defend infront of this lies and tricks.
2:leader of iran is khameneiee no ahmadinejad.he is our president,ok.
we are muslem and our religion dont allow to us that kill guiltless people.
all of iranians are dear ,kurds are very kind people .we have many kurd friends,Iran is belong them,too.they defend from iran when iran was in difficult condition (8 years war that its cause was saddam)many of dear kurd people became martyr and defended from iran (their land),their family and their believes.
now,  enemies of Iran terror them and want to say it is work of government  but all of
us know that it is a big lie. we live near together and like each other. they are from iran,too.they live ,study and...happily.be certain iran is better than other countries and respect to all people.all of them.enemies of islam put bombs in our cities special Ahvaz,kurdestan and zahedan.is it fair???


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Quote TG12345 Replybullet Posted: 04 January 2013 at 4:21pm
Originally posted by whitelion553

dear friend,i must say 2 important  issue to you
1:iran is the best country and respect to all kind of religions special to other religions.people of kurdestan are our dears and we like them they are our brothers and sisters.we live here and you say us what is going in IranBig%20smile
enemies of islam and our dear country dont want see peace and safety in iran and want that creat war emong sunni and shia but we will defend infront of this lies and tricks.
2:leader of iran is khameneiee no ahmadinejad.he is our president,ok.
we are muslem and our religion dont allow to us that kill guiltless people.
all of iranians are dear ,kurds are very kind people .we have many kurd friends,Iran is belong them,too.they defend from iran when iran was in difficult condition (8 years war that its cause was saddam)many of dear kurd people became martyr and defend from iran (their land),their family and their believes.
now,  enemies of Iran terror them and want to say it is work of government  but all of
us know that it is a big lie. we live near together and like each other. they are from iran,too.they live ,study and...happily.be certain iran is better than other countries and repect to all people.all of them.enemies of islam put bomb in our cities special Ahvaz,kurdestan and zahedan.is it fair???


Mohammad Ahmad was one and a half years old. He was a Kurdish baby, beginning his life. Until an Iranian attack that killed him, and injured his Dad. It caused 50 villagers to flee their homes.

http://www.cpt.org/cptnet/2009/04/21/iraq-cpt-visits-family-baby-killed-iranian-shelling


Sabir, a 20 year old Kurdish farmer who has been crippled because of Iranian military actions.

http://www.cpt.org/cptnet/2009/12/21/iraq-sabir039s-story

The story of Zharawa, a refugee camp that Iran has been shelling.

http://www.cpt.org/work/iraq/interviews/bapiir-hadji%20amin



These accounts were collected by Christian Peacemaker Teams, a human rights group that has volunteers in Iraqi Kurdistan. They are not Zionists or pro-US in any way- I was with them in Palestine 2 years ago and we worked to help the Palestinians under Israeli occupation.

They do not support an attack on Iran, or any war, because as Christians we believe war is wrong.


They at the same time expose what Iran is doing to the Kurdish people. Ahmedinejad or Khamenei or whoever is in charge, it doesn't matter.

Iran's condemnation of Israel is hypocritical while they occupy and bomb their Kurdish neighbours.

Allah Akhbar.
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