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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 06 February 2013 at 8:44am
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But if you follow Jesus (as), he never ate pig? Or did he? Tongue Pig


Greetings Rational,

We'll never really know what Jesus ate other than what is spoken of in the scriptures, which was fish and bread and wine, will we?
Did He eat pork...

Probably not and if I wanted to follow Jesus completely... if I wanted to become a Jew... I guess I would not... but I was born a gentile and I grew up eating bacon which I love, so while there is a part of me that hears the old testament and the laws given to the Jews and a part of me feels that I want to follow God in every way... a part of me says to give up pork, but I doubt I will ever give it up completely... it's 'the other white meat'(aside from chicken that is) and healthier than beef which I don't eat at all anymore.  In fact I hardly eat meat. 

This does not mean I would ever want, or expect those raised to not eat it to change their ways either, and I would restrain myself from eating anything offensive in their presence as it says to do in the new testament... 'to not do what is offensive to thy brother' or 'that which might cause them to stumble'.

But as a gentile I have never been told that there was anything I could not eat.  These things were not the concern of Jesus.

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Quote Placid Replybullet Posted: 06 February 2013 at 2:48pm
Hi,

Yes I think this has pretty well run its course.

Quote: But if you follow Jesus (as), he never ate pig? Or did he?


Was it not you Rational, that quoted this about a page back? --- What Jesus said about the law in Surah 3:
50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me.


I don't believe Jesus or the other Jews ever ate pork, the same as true Muslims don't likely eat pork, but it was not a restriction for the Gentiles.

I wonder if you Muslims realize how vulnerable you can make yourselves by this great stigma you have about pork? What if a transport plane landed in a country where so called Muslims were attacking innocent people, --- and the plane was loaded with pigs.

So, if they landed the plane, released the pigs and chased them in all directions, then the so called Muslims would take off, would they not?

That could be a 'peaceful protest' could it not?


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Quote Webber Replybullet Posted: 06 February 2013 at 8:25pm
Jesus never ate a pizza either.
The only two records I know of that included Jesus eating, once was bread, the other was broiled fish. Not to say He only ate twice in His life, that's all the info we have.
 
I believe I've mentioned a couple times I doubt Jesus would ever have opportunity to eat pork. As a Jew it wouldn't even be on a menu.
 
 
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Quote Rational Replybullet Posted: 07 February 2013 at 3:51am
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We'll never really know what Jesus ate other than what is spoken of in the scriptures, which was fish and bread and wine, will we?

How can you say you don't know but yet say that you believe in the OT? Jesus was a follower of the OT and it says not to eat swine. So did he follow the OT or not?

Originally posted by Caringheart

Probably not and if I wanted to follow Jesus completely... if I wanted to become a Jew... I guess I would not...

I respect your honesty. You admitted that you don't want to follow Jesus completely. Any reason? And you don't think he ate pork, obviously because he was following the law from the OT, which I assume you believe because it's in the same book you pray from. Do you believe the OT to be the word of God or not?

Originally posted by Caringheart

but I was born a gentile and I grew up eating bacon which I love, so while there is a part of me that hears the old testament and the laws given to the Jews and a part of me feels that I want to follow God in every way... a part of me says to give up pork, but I doubt I will ever give it up completely... it's 'the other white meat'(aside from chicken that is) and healthier than beef which I don't eat at all anymore.  In fact I hardly eat meat.

So ultimately you are excusing yourself on the merits that "I grew up eating bacon which I love". People grow up diong various things, doesn't mean they must continue doing them. A part of you hears the OT but choses not to follow. Sounds like you pick and choose what you want to follow from the bible.

Originally posted by Caringheart

But as a gentile I have never been told that there was anything I could not eat.  These things were not the concern of Jesus.

You were not told because that's the way you were raised. Doesn't mean it's right. To say that Jesus was not concerned with these things is like saying Jesus was not concerned with the OT. Simple. No?



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Quote Rational Replybullet Posted: 07 February 2013 at 4:22am
Hi Placid,

Originally posted by Placid

Yes I think this has pretty well run its course.

Conveniently for you, maybe.

Originally posted by Placid

Was it not you Rational, that quoted this about a page back? --- What Jesus said about the law in Surah 3:
50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear God, and obey me.

Yes I did say that, along with a question that was ignored. He did make things lawful that were forbidden. Where does it state that he made pork lawful? Placid, Do you have this statement from Jesus (as) ?

Originally posted by Placid

I don't believe Jesus or the other Jews ever ate pork

Because Jesus (as) follows the OT.

Originally posted by Placid

I wonder if you Muslims realize how vulnerable you can make yourselves by this great stigma you have about pork? What if a transport plane landed in a country where so called Muslims were attacking innocent people, --- and the plane was loaded with pigs.

So, if they landed the plane, released the pigs and chased them in all directions, then the so called Muslims would take off, would they not?

What are you talking about??? Diverting from the subject completely Placid Confused

Originally posted by Placid

so called Muslims were attacking innocent people

Exactly, so called muslims. They are not muslims to me or you. And where are those attacks taking place that you mention?

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Quote Rational Replybullet Posted: 07 February 2013 at 4:23am

Originally posted by Webber

Jesus never ate a pizza either.

He never ate rats either, i'm sure. And pizza wasn't mentioned in the OT.

Originally posted by Webber

I believe I've mentioned a couple times I doubt Jesus would ever have opportunity to eat pork. As a Jew it wouldn't even be on a menu.

Just because he didn't have pork "on the menu" doesn't mean he would have eaten pork if it had been "on the menu". You do realize that he had many other things not "on the menu"? So everything that was not on Jesus menu can now become clean. Yummy!

All i'm hearing are excuses from all of you. Although Webber doesn't eat pig as much as Caringheart which is good

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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 07 February 2013 at 11:06am
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Greetings Rational, 

I guess you would like to surmise that I am acknowledging that Jesus did not eat pork, but as I said, we don't know what Jesus ate other than fish, bread and wine.

I do want to follow Jesus completely.  The phrasing, if you read and understand what I wrote is, "if I wanted to become a Jew".  So it's not about following Jesus... it would be about choosing to follow the Jewish mitzvot and following Jewish practices.   We must remember, however, that Jesus challenged the Jewish practices.

I am following Jesus completely, just as a gentile, not a Jew.

Jesus is the new covenant, the good news, the new thing that God was doing, which supercedes the old testament.  I believe in what Jesus taught and He taught that it is not the letter of the law but the spirit.
6 ... not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory[of Jesus*].

11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
You are right it's what I was taught, and I believe in what Jesus taught. Heart

I don't believe God is going to send me to hell for eating pork.  I believe God is way more interested in what is in my heart, than what I put in my stomach.
The laws God gave to the Jews were for a purpose, for the good of His people.  Everything in the scriptures has been given as a guide for our good, they are not things that affect God, but ourselves and our well being.  This is why God has given them.  There is no harm today in eating pork.  I believe I also shared how this was likely a law given to the Israelites as they left Egypt in order to prevent their returning since pork was the main part of the diet in Egypt.

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Edited by Caringheart - 08 February 2013 at 9:28am
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Quote Webber Replybullet Posted: 08 February 2013 at 4:19pm
Well said Caringheart.
 
The difference between a reason and an excuse is whether one is willing to accept the explanation.
 
From the time the Jews were given their dietarty laws, it was proven the laws did not include Gentiles. Jesus never gave Gentiles dietary laws.
 
There was no dietary laws for Gentiles until after Jesus, when the Jewish Elders said to Paul, "Tell them this...". They knew the Gentiles ate pork, never mentioned it.
 
The Quran gives you the same list the Gentiles got with a specific addition of pork.
 
From the OT list the Jews developed "Kosher" which is more than food, but an entire process.
 
As I see it a Halal diet is very much the same, an organized expansion of what the Quran actually says. 
 
Christians were taught to ask a blessing on their food before eating. Works for me.
 
 
 
 
 
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