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Posted: 28 January 2013 at 9:54pm

It was the Jewish elders of Jersalam that instructed Paul on the dietary laws for Gentiles. I mentioned it a couple dozen posts back.

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Posted: 29 January 2013 at 12:00am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Maybe that's why we're not supposed to eat them... intelligent life?

Originally posted by Webber

...cannibals have said people taste like pork...

The atheist writer Christopher Hitchens argued that a strict ban on eating pig meat may have helped to support an older prohibition against cannibalism. He added that firefighters often develop a strong aversion to the smell of roast pork.

I wonder what Ron would say...

Yeah, me too. I hope he comes back soon.

God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.

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Posted: 29 January 2013 at 11:54am

Of course Jesus followed the Jewish laws, He was a Jew. You don't get out of being a Jew. There again, you can't "say" you are a Jew, you either are or are not. Jesus did not follow Halal, He followed Kosher and there is a difference.

I wouldn't mind seeing the chapter and verse where God went from Kosher to Halal, which now contains camel and hare. Thankfully not camel hair.

Then there's the "softening" of Halal, (and kosher, btw) rules to allow American Muslims to eat "Halal" foods in the States, erm.

Following Jewish law is another thing. Paul told the Gentiles, if you want to follow Jewish rule you will be bound to all of it. Not even Muslims want to do that. Think about it.

What I'm picking up on here is "emulation". It's much bigger in Islam than Christianity. For one thing, we don't have any photos of Jesus so I'm not going to do the beard and robe thing as I don't want to be someone's impression of what jesus might have looked like.

On the other hand there was a time Muhammad ate locust and wiped his butt with three rocks or leaves, (possibly Jesus too), should we add that to our list of should do?

There seems to be a tremendous amount of pressure on Muslims to "hate" anything pork. It's like the line between people with any possible potential of ever really being human and absolute kafir. Worship an idol, then eat a pig kind of dirty. It's ingrown like a toenail.

If somebody doesn't come up with a camel and hare solution I'm going to call this a double standard that all my Muslim friends are going to have to put up with. Maybe some of you too.

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Posted: 29 January 2013 at 4:01pm

Originally posted by Webber

Okay, now I'm confused. How does camel and hare make the okay list? The same reasons were given in the Torah for swine and camels.

Assalamo alaik Webber,

"And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me." (3:50)

It's not unusual for a prophet to make lawful what was previously forbidden.

Edited by Rational - 29 January 2013 at 4:02pm

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Posted: 29 January 2013 at 8:00pm

Peace and Grace be with you Rational.

Thanks for a response. This is most interesting as it was Jesus saying this, which at the time He would have been speaking to not only His disciples, but to a Jewish group as well. This is like an extension of what Caringheart posted. Considering the response of the Jews it could have been part of the same convo. In neither case does it go on to a new list though.

Where did you get your list?

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Posted: 30 January 2013 at 7:29am

Originally posted by Webber

Where did you get your list?

Here:
http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?txt_QuestionID=q-18090311

** EDIT: I just found another page that seems to have the same content but presented a bit better:
http://www.central-mosque.com/index.php/General-Fiqh/the-fiqh-of-halal-and-haram-animals.html

Edited by Rational - 30 January 2013 at 7:37am

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Posted: 31 January 2013 at 7:37pm

Burger King just admitted to mixing horsemeat into their burgers. Their suppliers did and BK knew about it, so it's a big scandal now although the first 9 minutes of comments say there's nothing wrong with horsemeat. Certainly not something popular here.

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Posted: 03 February 2013 at 11:48am

It would seem that all scripture has taken on aspects to fit the culture to which it was given.
I do believe however, that Jesus did teach that belonging is not in the things which we eat, or in the way we wash, but in having a pure spirit.

Have mercy on me, O God,
    according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy
    blot out my transgressions.
²Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
    and cleanse me from my sin!

³For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is ever before me.
⁴Against you, you only, have I sinned
    and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words
    and blameless in your judgment.
⁵Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    and in sin did my mother conceive me.
⁶Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being,
    and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.

⁷Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
    wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
⁸Let me hear joy and gladness;
    let the bones that you have broken rejoice.
⁹Hide your face from my sins,
    and blot out all my iniquities.
¹⁰Create in me a clean heart, O God,
    and renew a right spirit within me. - Psalm 51

So what is the law of belonging to God?
I think the answer is love... loving one another... having a right spirit and a pure heart.
Heart

Edited by Caringheart - 03 February 2013 at 11:49am

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Blessed be God forever

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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 28 January 2013 at 9:54pm
	It was the Jewish elders of Jersalam that instructed Paul on the dietary laws for Gentiles. I mentioned it a couple dozen posts back.
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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nospam001 Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 02 October 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 150	Posted: 29 January 2013 at 12:00am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* Maybe that's why we're not supposed to eat them... intelligent life? *Originally posted by Webber* ...cannibals have said people taste like pork... The atheist writer Christopher Hitchens argued that a strict ban on eating pig meat may have helped to support an older prohibition against cannibalism. He added that firefighters often develop a strong aversion to the smell of roast pork. I wonder what Ron would say... Yeah, me too. I hope he comes back soon.
	God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 29 January 2013 at 11:54am
	Of course Jesus followed the Jewish laws, He was a Jew. You don't get out of being a Jew. There again, you can't "say" you are a Jew, you either are or are not. Jesus did not follow Halal, He followed Kosher and there is a difference. I wouldn't mind seeing the chapter and verse where God went from Kosher to Halal, which now contains camel and hare. Thankfully not camel hair. Then there's the "softening" of Halal, (and kosher, btw) rules to allow American Muslims to eat "Halal" foods in the States, erm. Following Jewish law is another thing. Paul told the Gentiles, if you want to follow Jewish rule you will be bound to all of it. Not even Muslims want to do that. Think about it. What I'm picking up on here is "emulation". It's much bigger in Islam than Christianity. For one thing, we don't have any photos of Jesus so I'm not going to do the beard and robe thing as I don't want to be someone's impression of what jesus might have looked like. On the other hand there was a time Muhammad ate locust and wiped his butt with three rocks or leaves, (possibly Jesus too), should we add that to our list of should do? There seems to be a tremendous amount of pressure on Muslims to "hate" anything pork. It's like the line between people with any possible potential of ever really being human and absolute kafir. Worship an idol, then eat a pig kind of dirty. It's ingrown like a toenail. If somebody doesn't come up with a camel and hare solution I'm going to call this a double standard that all my Muslim friends are going to have to put up with. Maybe some of you too.
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Posted: 29 January 2013 at 4:01pm
	*Originally posted by Webber* Okay, now I'm confused. How does camel and hare make the okay list? The same reasons were given in the Torah for swine and camels. Assalamo alaik Webber, "And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me." (3:50) It's not unusual for a prophet to make lawful what was previously forbidden. Edited by Rational - 29 January 2013 at 4:02pm
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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 29 January 2013 at 8:00pm
	Peace and Grace be with you Rational. Thanks for a response. This is most interesting as it was Jesus saying this, which at the time He would have been speaking to not only His disciples, but to a Jewish group as well. This is like an extension of what Caringheart posted. Considering the response of the Jews it could have been part of the same convo. In neither case does it go on to a new list though. Where did you get your list?
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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Rational Senior Member Joined: 28 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 181	Posted: 30 January 2013 at 7:29am
	*Originally posted by Webber* Where did you get your list? Here: http://www.daruliftaa.com/question?txt_QuestionID=q-18090311 ** EDIT: I just found another page that seems to have the same content but presented a bit better: http://www.central-mosque.com/index.php/General-Fiqh/the-fiqh-of-halal-and-haram-animals.html Edited by Rational - 30 January 2013 at 7:37am
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Webber Senior Member Joined: 09 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 112	Posted: 31 January 2013 at 7:37pm
	Burger King just admitted to mixing horsemeat into their burgers. Their suppliers did and BK knew about it, so it's a big scandal now although the first 9 minutes of comments say there's nothing wrong with horsemeat. Certainly not something popular here.
	I'm a Gentile. Numb. 6:24-26
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Online Posts: 1333	Posted: 03 February 2013 at 11:48am
	It would seem that all scripture has taken on aspects to fit the culture to which it was given. I do believe however, that Jesus did teach that belonging is not in the things which we eat, or in the way we wash, but in having a pure spirit. Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions. ²Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin! ³For I know my transgressions, and my sin is ever before me. ⁴Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment. ⁵Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. ⁶Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being, and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart. ⁷Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow. ⁸Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones that you have broken rejoice. ⁹Hide your face from my sins, and blot out all my iniquities. ¹⁰Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. - Psalm 51 So what is the law of belonging to God? I think the answer is love... loving one another... having a right spirit and a pure heart. Edited by Caringheart - 03 February 2013 at 11:49am
	Let us seek Truth together Blessed be God forever
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