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Topic: A Muslim in the eye of Allah
Posted: 15 December 2012 at 7:51am

Assalamalecum wa rehmatullahi wa barakhatahu.in surah al Imran ch 3 v 110,Allah says that-o believers u r the best people,u know what is right and what is wrong,so its ur duty to tell others of what is good or bad.Allahfiz

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Posted: 16 December 2012 at 6:13am

I disagree. Allah doesn't think that Muslims are better people than non-Muslims, or even the best people on Earth. The best people are good people, people who respect other people and are good to other people and find ways to achieve peace. As long as Muslims think they are the best people there won't be peace. As long as Muslims think that it is there duty to tell others of what is good or bad there won't be peace.

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Posted: 16 December 2012 at 12:30pm

sir,through this forum my main purpose is to bring you the teachings of glorious Qur'an.a person is not a Muslim just by a name.A real Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah,the meaning of a word Islam is to bring peace by submitting will to Allah.there are many verses in Qur'an,but I will mention few in front of you.in Surah Al Maidah ch 5 v 90,states that alcohol or toxic substances are forbidden,Surah Al Isra ch 17 v 23-24,Allah says next thing after worship is good behaviour towards parents,Surah Al Hujurat ch 49 v 11-12,states that gossiping is haraam.so I ask U what is your opinion about a person who follow the verses mentioned above.A real Muslim is a Muslim who follows Qur'an and Hadeeth(life n quotes of prophet S.A.W(pbuh)).Allahfiz

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Posted: 17 December 2012 at 8:43am

Understanding the teachings does not necessarily mean agreeing with all of them. Supremacy claims are always damaging. That was my point. And outdated dogmas should be considered haraam.

Edited by Matt Browne - 17 December 2012 at 8:44am

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Posted: 17 December 2012 at 9:55am

As far as claiming supremacy is concerned person following teachings of Qur'an need not claim supremacy as Allah is always with those who follow Qur'an.and there is no way of disagreeing with teachings of Qur'an because these are words of Allah so how a man can disagree with them.what I was telling from the verse(Surah Al imran ch 3 v 110) that we need to make people aware about good things,for eg it is mentioned in Qur'an that the moment you look at a lady and if bad thoughts come into your mind just lower your gaze to guard your modesty.Sir,I suggest you to read Qur'an in English translation.

Edited by NABA - 17 December 2012 at 9:58am

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Posted: 18 December 2012 at 3:44pm

Matt,
Allah is addressing to the believers. Since now we have the Final Messenger and the Final Testament sent for our times, believing as Allah tells us to, we become best in His sight.

3:110 (Y. Ali) Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 18 December 2012 at 3:48pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 20 December 2012 at 12:32am

'O you who believe'
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'O you who call yourself a believer'

Matt, if you cannot see the difference between the two you are likely to miss the whole point.

Being a believer is not a denomination a human can give to himself rather its a denomination to a human being in the sight of God ... it requires a long list of dos and don'ts which definitely covers whatever you might have on mind and much more.

Im not a beliver in sight of God just because I think myself as one - and this is something one will be sure about only after meeting one's Lord ... here we only have to keep trying to qualify in His sight.

Abu Bakr As Siddique - Companion of the holy prophet (pbuh) would say I will not feel safe with just one foot in paradise - ie he did not feel safe regarding afterlife thru his works in this life, and would only be satisfied when he would actually be in paradise with both his feet, and his entire self ... those are true believers.

Edited by Nausheen - 20 December 2012 at 12:33am

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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NABA Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 13 December 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 139	Topic: A Muslim in the eye of Allah Posted: 15 December 2012 at 7:51am
	Assalamalecum wa rehmatullahi wa barakhatahu.in surah al Imran ch 3 v 110,Allah says that-o believers u r the best people,u know what is right and what is wrong,so its ur duty to tell others of what is good or bad.Allahfiz
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 773	Posted: 16 December 2012 at 6:13am
	I disagree. Allah doesn't think that Muslims are better people than non-Muslims, or even the best people on Earth. The best people are good people, people who respect other people and are good to other people and find ways to achieve peace. As long as Muslims think they are the best people there won't be peace. As long as Muslims think that it is there duty to tell others of what is good or bad there won't be peace.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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NABA Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 13 December 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 139	Posted: 16 December 2012 at 12:30pm
	sir,through this forum my main purpose is to bring you the teachings of glorious Qur'an.a person is not a Muslim just by a name.A real Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah,the meaning of a word Islam is to bring peace by submitting will to Allah.there are many verses in Qur'an,but I will mention few in front of you.in Surah Al Maidah ch 5 v 90,states that alcohol or toxic substances are forbidden,Surah Al Isra ch 17 v 23-24,Allah says next thing after worship is good behaviour towards parents,Surah Al Hujurat ch 49 v 11-12,states that gossiping is haraam.so I ask U what is your opinion about a person who follow the verses mentioned above.A real Muslim is a Muslim who follows Qur'an and Hadeeth(life n quotes of prophet S.A.W(pbuh)).Allahfiz Edited by NABA - 16 December 2012 at 12:32pm
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 773	Posted: 17 December 2012 at 8:43am
	Understanding the teachings does not necessarily mean agreeing with all of them. Supremacy claims are always damaging. That was my point. And outdated dogmas should be considered haraam. Edited by Matt Browne - 17 December 2012 at 8:44am
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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NABA Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 13 December 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 139	Posted: 17 December 2012 at 9:55am
	As far as claiming supremacy is concerned person following teachings of Qur'an need not claim supremacy as Allah is always with those who follow Qur'an.and there is no way of disagreeing with teachings of Qur'an because these are words of Allah so how a man can disagree with them.what I was telling from the verse(Surah Al imran ch 3 v 110) that we need to make people aware about good things,for eg it is mentioned in Qur'an that the moment you look at a lady and if bad thoughts come into your mind just lower your gaze to guard your modesty.Sir,I suggest you to read Qur'an in English translation. Edited by NABA - 17 December 2012 at 9:58am
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 18 December 2012 at 3:44pm
	Matt, Allah is addressing to the believers. Since now we have the Final Messenger and the Final Testament sent for our times, believing as Allah tells us to, we become best in His sight. 3:110 (Y. Ali) Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. Hasan Edited by honeto - 18 December 2012 at 3:48pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 20 December 2012 at 12:32am
	'O you who believe' Vs 'O you who call yourself a believer' Matt, if you cannot see the difference between the two you are likely to miss the whole point. Being a believer is not a denomination a human can give to himself rather its a denomination to a human being in the sight of God ... it requires a long list of dos and don'ts which definitely covers whatever you might have on mind and much more. Im not a beliver in sight of God just because I think myself as one - and this is something one will be sure about only after meeting one's Lord ... here we only have to keep trying to qualify in His sight. Abu Bakr As Siddique - Companion of the holy prophet (pbuh) would say I will not feel safe with just one foot in paradise - ie he did not feel safe regarding afterlife thru his works in this life, and would only be satisfied when he would actually be in paradise with both his feet, and his entire self ... those are true believers. Edited by Nausheen - 20 December 2012 at 12:33am
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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