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Defining 'arD the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term.

Let us now analyze and define the second important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term ‘arD as is found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929.

What is the ‘arD?
As has been said before ‘arD is derived from the Arabic root verb meaning:-
- he or it became lowly or submissive.
- he or it became or rendered heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending, to the ground.
-it collected moisture, and became luxuriant with herbage
-it became soft to tread upon, pleasant to sit upon, productive, and good in its herbage or vegetation.
-the ulcer, or sore, became blistered, and wide, and corrupt, and dissundered.

As a noun:
with the definite article ‘the’ it has the following meanings:-
- the earth as opposed to heaven.
-the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread and sit and lie.
-the floor

without the definite article ‘the’ it has the following meanings:-

- a land, or a country.
- a piece of land or ground.
- anything that is low.

Let us analyze the meaning of the word ‘arD from the given definitions and present some statements from the Qur'aan.
When we study the Qur'aan we will see that the word‘arD appears about 461 times in the Qur'aan. When these verses are studied it will be seen that the word ‘arD is representative of an object that is surrounded by space or embedded in space or occupying space. It will further also be seen that the word ‘arD has a number of meanings which adequately describe a range of phenomena; from the stuff of which one's body is composed of; from the soil one can keep in one's hand; the plot of ground one lives upon;the land one lives in; the continent one is associated with; the planet one lives on; and all other planets and objects that clump and occupy space throughout the entire universe as well as all the mass of the universe when brought back together again as one entity called Ratqan .
From here it will be seen that the term ‘arD in addition to being an object occupying space is also the substance of which the physical object consists of. And above all it is the name of the unique planet called the 'arD (the Earth) where ALLAAH (GOD) let man (and woman) dwell to work the good work;then earn his (or her) reward;and then afterwards to be taken to the world of His Mercy and Promise before His Anger is unleashed over billions of years and the universe comes crushing down upon itself and upon all those who were left behind and denied the plea for the mercy to die. That is what is written in the Qur'aan.

The Qur'aan also says that the Earth has similarities to the seven samaawaat.There are the continents that are spreading apart like the expansion and there are the layers of the earth like the structure of the seven samaawaat. There are more similarities that can be discussed but they are not part of this presentation which is to prove our main point of the thread.
The Qur'aan 65:12
It is ALLAAH (God) who created the seven samaawaat, and of the ‘arD their like, between them the Command descending, that you may know that ALLAAH (God) is powerful over everything and that ALLAAH (God) encompasses everything in knowledge.

As we said before the Qur'aan contrasts ‘arD with samaa’ which are two opposing but complementary states of the universe: Matter verses Space; one inherently contractive and the other inherently expansive.

Below is a display of graphical illustrations for the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Technical Term 'arD



To be continued inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed)

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Quote al-amiyr Replybullet Posted: 10 December 2012 at 1:02pm
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Let us now go forth to draw the first Space-Time diagram based upon the data extrapolated from the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse.
Qur'aan 021:030
that the samaawaat and the ‘arD
(1)- were both Ratq
(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.

As we have already seen that when the Qur'aan speaks about the samaawaat, then it refers to the whole realm of extraterrestrial space and everything it contains.So the data that we derive from the Qur'aan is that the Sun, the Moon, the Stars, the Galaxies, the Galactic Clusters,etc. and the Earth ('ard) were once a 'united entity' that had collapsed from a previously separated state.

According to the data contained in the second Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse, which we shall analyze in a later post, this previously collapsed state was the result of a previously expanded universe that was brought down by ALLAAH in a spiraling formation that caused it to possess angular momentum. When it reached the state of maximum singular combination, with internal and external void, ALLAAH split the powerful rotating single entity apart and then blew into it the breath of life that cause it to inflate and undergo the great expansion that we have observed today.

According to the Qur'aan the universe did not have its beginning in a big bang infinite singularity. It began when the small and large and dark and diffused matter 'burnt out' particles of the previously expanded and close to flat universe were brought into willing submission to be re-energized and rejuvenated to become a new creation.

The Qur'aan calls this a single Khalq or Creation - a collapse followed by an expansion and not an expansion followed by a collapse. See the delineation below.

The Qur'aan also states that the internal universe (samaa') is in the democratic liberal state of run away expansion and shall go on ticking until it has reached maximum permitted expansion when it shall be halted by ALLAAH and when shall be The Final Hour which none shall be able to calculate or rather know other than him and him only. (The cause of the observed accelerated expansion shall be discussed much later inshaa allaah.)



To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).

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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:29am
This fascinating nonsense has got a name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts#Bucailleism

and it made it into the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience

Maurice Bucaille was a French medical doctor and member of the French Society of Egyptology. In 1973, Bucaille was appointed family physician to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. After embracing Islam in 1976, he published a book in which he argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts. Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claims that there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur'an. His belief was that the Qur'an's descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Bucaille concluded that the Qur'an must be the words of God. His book started a movement called Bucailleism, attracting thousands, if not millions of orthodox Muslims. This has led to the widespread belief that the Qur'an prophesied the big bang theory, space travel and other contemporary scientific breakthroughs. In fact, there are more than 1200 verses which can be interpreted in the light of modern science, the followers of the movement sincerely believe. The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a popular trend in some Muslim societies. Thousands of zealous people are wasting their time with this kind of pseudoscientific nonsense. The belief of scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts also exists in orthodox Judaism and Christian fundamentalism. A good example is young-earth Creationism.


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Quote al-amiyr Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2012 at 1:40am
Originally posted by Matt Browne

This fascinating nonsense has got a name:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_foreknowledge_in_sacred_texts#Bucailleism

and it made it into the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience

Maurice Bucaille was a French medical doctor and member of the French Society of Egyptology. In 1973, Bucaille was appointed family physician to King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. After embracing Islam in 1976, he published a book in which he argued that the Qur'an contains no statements contradicting established scientific facts. Bucaille argued that the Qur'an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claims that there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur'an. His belief was that the Qur'an's descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Bucaille concluded that the Qur'an must be the words of God. His book started a movement called Bucailleism, attracting thousands, if not millions of orthodox Muslims. This has led to the widespread belief that the Qur'an prophesied the big bang theory, space travel and other contemporary scientific breakthroughs. In fact, there are more than 1200 verses which can be interpreted in the light of modern science, the followers of the movement sincerely believe. The search for Qur'anic references to and prophecies of modern scientific discoveries has become a popular trend in some Muslim societies. Thousands of zealous people are wasting their time with this kind of pseudoscientific nonsense. The belief of scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts also exists in orthodox Judaism and Christian fundamentalism. A good example is young-earth Creationism.


Thanks for your contribution which is mostly correct.
Your comment about pseudoscience is, however, in itself pseudo. Do not speak what you do not know. Don't base your observations on what people do or have done and judge the Qur'aan thereby.
This Qur'aan Cosmological Model is far from finished and it reveals the answers to everything Modern Cosmology is seeking. Ask questions relating to it. 

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Quote StopS Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2012 at 10:33am
"Do not speak what you do not know."

Do you follow your own advice?

I see your Fig.001 Standard Delineation still has the same mistake in it:

Your version:
Kh = T +R +F +2R +2F

Correct version?
Kh = T +R +F +2T +2R +2F

Also: your colour coding is wrong.

‘samaawaat’ is the plural of the Arabic word ‘samaa’’ meaning:
high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated

What are the plural forms of these?

What is the meaning of: "the two states of the Universe which were both once compacted together which underwent expansion and then rapid inflation"?

What exactly is "Qur’aanic cosmological algorithmic compression"?

That is probably the worst pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo I have ever heard.
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Quote al-amiyr Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2012 at 3:53pm
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A very important point not to forget.

Why does the Qur'aan state the cosmological facts as follows:

"that the samaawaat(heavens) and the ‘arD(earth) were both Ratq(sewn or brought together etc.) and so We Fataq(unstiched or separated etc.) them both again.?"

Because of the manner in which the Qur'aan stated the cosmological facts the following two questions spring to mind:
1)- does the Qur'aan say that the ‘arD is a separate and unique entity in the Universe?
2)- does the Qur'aan say that the ‘arD was already in existence at the birth of the Universe?

If we look at the Qur'aanic verse and even examine it a little more deeper it would appear as if the Qur'aan is actually saying that. But that perception or conclusion is not exactly true. And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not.
And it is also because of this inaccurate conclusion that has led to the confusion which caused the Muslim scholars to deliberately falsify the translations by removing or not including the word 'both' from or in the actual translation of the original verb which is in the dual form.
In other words the Qur'aan states 'kaanataa' 'both of them were' or 'the two of them were' or 'they two were' and then the translators took it upon themselves to transform it into 'they were' or 'were'. That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages without providing detailed explanations.

Of the approximately seventy Qur'aan translations that I have examined so far I have found only two translations which have faithfully included the dual in their translations. Not to say that the other parts of their translations are not without grave errors. It will surprise many that both of these translations that translated the verse correctly with the dual included were not made by Muslim translators but maybe surprisingly by non Muslim ones. In my opinion it would not be going too far to say that a common trait in man is that he loves to exaggerate when it suites him and he loves to hang on and to invent or follow explanations to that of which he knows little or nothing of.

Let us now examine precisely what the Qur'aan is exactly saying. It is well worth mentioning that when one has sufficiently studied the Qur'aan and the other important teachings of the Prophet (S+) one will immediately know that this verse is referring to three things simultaneously. In other words three different independent matters are being discussed providing the reader with factual information for observation and consideration.

Let us see what it is!

1)- the samaawaat (definition in a previous post)

2)- the ‘arD (definition in a previous post)

3)- the samaawaat and the ‘arD

To understand this better let us make a comparison with something else: 'the school and the principal were both famous'

There are three clear possibilities of understanding what was said.

1)- the school

2)- the principal

3)- the school and the principal

In the first example it is referring to the whole school; the students; the teachers; and the principal. There was none that was specifically famous; none that stood out from the rest. Just the whole school that was famous.

In the second example it is referring only to the principal; not to the school as a whole; not to the students; and not to the teachers. There was only one who was specifically famous; one that stood out from the rest. And it was just the principal who was alone famous.

In the third example it is referring to the whole school generally as well as to the principal specifically. It was not only the school as a whole that was famous but also the principal who in his own right was also famous.

Likewise as in our example the same rule applies to the mentioned Qur'aanic cosmological verse. Let us see!

In the first example it is referring to the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth which is a body moving in that space. In other words it is referring to the whole universe as already explained i.e. the sun, the moon, the stars,the galaxies and everything else including the earth. And it says that all these entities comprising the universe were Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe).

In the second example it is referring to the earth alone and no other entity in the universe; not to the sun; not the moon; not to the stars etc. but only to the earth specifically. It says that once upon a time the earth was also Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. brought together as one unified entity (previous continents came together to form Pangaea and then again split to form the 'seven continents' ( there are seven major plates and a number of minor plates) which are still spreading apart to this day).

In the third example it is referring to both what happened in the universe as well as what happened to the earth. Both underwent their own Ratq fa (and so) Fataq and both were part of a united Ratq fa (and so) Fataq (i.e. the whole of space and everything that it contains including the earth were once upon a time in a state that was brought together as one unified entity for the purpose of breaking it apart again to form the universe which is in an observed accelerated expansion to this day.

So there you have it in a nutshell. A great amount of details all applying to two different phenomena simultaneously. Now I will leave you with a quotation with what the Prophet (S+) of the Qur'aan had said one thousand four hundred years ago.

The Book of Bukhari Volume 9. Book 87. Number 141
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying.
"I have been sent with Jawami al-Kalim (i.e.. the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings).
and
I was made victorious with awe (caste into the hearts of the enemy)
and
while I was sleeping the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me and were put in my hand."
Muhammad (S+) said. Jawami'-al-Kalim means that Allah expresses in one or two statements or thereabouts the numerous matters that used to be written in the books revealed before (the coming of) the Prophet .

In a coming post I will give a brief discussion on the apparent conflict between the information contained in the next and second Qur'aan Cosmological verse which states that the universe shall be contracted and the observed accelerated expansion of the universe today.

To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH had willed).

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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2012 at 10:19pm
I just love the irony in this ridiculous statement, "And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not."  Please tell me someone else sees it.
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Quote StopS Replybullet Posted: 22 December 2012 at 3:29pm
Originally posted by schmikbob

I just love the irony in this ridiculous statement, "And it is because of this inaccurate conclusion of the lack of the proper understanding of the correct meaning of the verse that all the confusion begins and then all sorts of wild statements are made by those who claim the Qur'aan to be scientific and those who assert that it is not."  Please tell me someone else sees it.


Yep, I totally agree. The whole deception actually sets in when the statement is:
That is why it is sacrilegious to translate the Books of ALLAAH into other languages

So someone comes to an English forum and says you need a totally different language to be able to discuss it.

Is the correct meaning of something ever provided? No, of course not.

If someone has an opinion or an idea, why not test it and discuss it? No problem. But to claim that it is the only truth and not falsifiable due to its usage of a different language is not an honest approach.
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