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Quote nothing Replybullet Posted: 05 December 2012 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by schmikbob

This is fascinating numerology.  I did not know the Q'uran had a cosmological model complete with equations found within it.  I wonder if I could find something similar in Moby Dick.

Than do the Moby Dick like the OP author has done with the Qur'an, less talk and do more.
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Post 5. Continued from the first post.

Let us now present the first of the two Qur’aan Cosmological Model (QCM) verses from the 'real' Qur'aan; meaning the one in Arabic as it has been presented by the Prophet (S+). Let us begin the exposition.

Here is the Arabic text of the first Qur’aan Cosmological Model verse with transliteration.Don't be dismayed if you cannot read the Arabic because it is the transliteration which we will be using here for our exposition.


Qur’aan 021:30

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا
أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا
فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا

وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ
أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ


transliteration

‘a-wa-lam yara lladhiyna kafaruw

‘anna as-samaawaati wa-l-‘arDa kaanataa Ratqan

fa-Fataq-naa humaa


wa-ja”al-naa min al-maa’i kulla shay’in hayyin

‘a-fa-laa yu’minuwna


Here I present the most accurate translation of the verse. Though by no means perfect. I have not translated the key words because they are technical terms in their own right and cannot be translated without grave loss of the original. I will select and explain each of them adequately with proofs from the Qur'aan itself as well as the authoritative Arabic dictionaries.

translation
Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:-

that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.

And We made from water every living thing.

Will they now not believe?


This verse contains an encyclopedia of information of which I will touch upon only the cosmological aspects. To do that I will simply extract the parts of the verse that I have already made bold.


that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.


What is the verse actually saying. When we read it at face value we see that it speaks about how ALLAAH (God) brought about the creation of the universe we happen to find ourselves living in. This earth upon which we live, the sun and the moon and the stars, and everything else that the universe contains.
Let us go over it again exactly as it is written.


ALLAAH says, "

that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again."


I would like you to repeat the verse at least three times so that you can become familiar with those four untranslated technical terms of which I have already said cannot be translated without grave lost of the original. The problem is that when scholars think that they can translate these technical terms of the Qur'aan into English or for that matter into any other language and they go ahead and then begin to do so they effectively make the Qur'aan completely dysfunctional. Then people who have no understanding of what the original is saying begin to read and study it and start making all kinds of proclamations as to what the Qur'aan is really saying. So they have misled themselves and all others who follow them and that goes for all those who repeat their behavior.

To be continued ( the explanation of the four Qur'aanic Cosmological Model technical terms of the Verse) inshaa allaah.

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Quote al-amiyr Replybullet Posted: 06 December 2012 at 6:16am

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The four technical terms are:-
- the samaawaat
- the ‘arD
- Ratq
- Fataq

The definite article ‘al’ ‘the’ I have translated as 'the samaawaat' and not 'al-samaawaat'; and 'the ‘arD' and not 'al-‘arD'. You would have noticed that I have written ‘arD' with a capital D instead of with a small d. The reason for this is that there are two d’s in the Arabic language; one pronounced at the tip of the tongue like the ‘d’ in the English word ‘did’ and the other pronounced with the tongue against the roof of the mouth and similar to the ‘D’ in the English word ‘Dark’ but even more emphatic. It is said that the Arabic language is the only language which contains this letter or sound. In fact almost all Muslims mispronounce this emphatic ‘D’ and thus destroy the Qur’aan with their tongues without realizing it because every letter of the Qur’aan is a multi-dimensional space-time configuration. The Jews have done the same thing with the letters of the Torah which are also all multi-dimensional space-time configurations. The Christians have no part in this science because they have completely discarded the alphabet of the Bible and opted to translate and read the Holy Book in other alphabets and languages. For Example the letter ‘M’ called ‘MiyM’ and ‘Mem’ in Hebrew are the symbols for the mathematical equation of a circle x^2 + y^2 = r^2. This is what is referred to as the knowledge contained in all the Divine Books. If this knowledge is lost then virtually everything becomes lost. The Divine Books would then become interpretations of infinite duration- like it is now.

Let us look at the technical term samaawaat
samaawaat is the plural of the Arabic word samaa’. If we were to open an Arabic dictionary like that of Edward William Lane which was published in 1865 and regarded as one of the greatest dictionaries of all time we will find the following definitions or explanations.

As a verb:
- he or it was, or became, high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated.
- he or it rose, or rose high.
-he or it rose higher or above.

As a noun:
-the higher, or upper, or highest, or uppermost, part of anything.
-the sky, or heavens.

Let us look at the technical term‘arD.
As a verb:
- he or it became lowly or submissive.
- he or it became or rendered heavy, slow, sluggish, inclining, or propending, to the ground.
-it collected moisture, and became luxuriant with herbage
-it became soft to tread upon, pleasant to sit upon, productive, and good in its herbage or vegetation.
-the ulcer, or sore, became blistered, and wide, and corrupt, and dissundered.

As a noun:
With the definite article ‘the’
- the earth as opposed to heaven.
-the ground, as meaning the surface of the earth, on which we tread and sit and lie.
-the floor

Without the definite article ‘the’
- a land, or a country.
- a piece of land or ground.
- anything that is low.

Let us look at the technical term - Ratq.
From the verb: Rataqa
- he closed up.
- he sewed up, or together.

Ratq
- closed up.
- sewn up.

Let us look at the technical term - Fataq.
It is the verb: - Fataqa
- he slit it, rent it, rent it asunder or open, or divided it lengthwise.
- he disjoined it, or disunited it
- he undid the sewing of it, unsewed it, or unstitched it
(- became swollen, or inflated, in the flanks.
- appeared after concealment.)

As the noun: -Fatq

- a rent, slit, or the like.
- an open, and a spacious, place.

There we have the meanings of the four technical terms; as verbs as well as nouns.
We are now getting close to the formation of the Qur’aan Cosmological Model. After that the QCM will start to come alive.
Have again another good look at the Qur’aan Cosmological Model below. Can you begin to recognize where we are in the Model.



Continued in posts to follow inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).

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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 07 December 2012 at 7:32am
Nope, just more wishful thinking.  Also, the letter M stands for a few more things than possibly the mathematical equation for a circle.  I wasn't aware that Christians went for this numerogy garbage in the Bible.  I guess there's a few everywhere.  
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Quote al-amiyr Replybullet Posted: 07 December 2012 at 10:33am
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Again let us look at the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) verse that I have already presented and which we are now going to analyze via the meaning and definitions of its four technical terms.

Be reminded that these four Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) technical terms that have already been explained earlier are all found in the Arabic - English Lexicon by Edward William Lane. This Arabic - English Lexicon by Edward William Lane is the greatest, on every level, Arabic - English dictionary ever produced in the English language and virtually contains the entire Classical Arabic Language upon which the Qur'aan is based. Edward William Lane was called, in his lifetime, the master of the Arabic Language. It is a work of breathless achievement- one of the greatest of heights a scholar could attain to maximum precise detail. I present to you the publishers note for further elaboration.

Edward William Lane's ARABIC - ENGLISH LEXICON Book1 contains all the classical words, their derivatives, and their usages. It appears in eight separate volumes and took the author more than thirty years to compile.

Book II, which Dr. Lane contemplated and which was to contain rare words and explanations, was incomplete at the time of his death in 1876 and therefore never appeared.

In describing Lane’s Lexicon, Dr. G. P. Badger wrote, “This marvelous work in its fullness and richness, its deep research correctness and simplicity of arrangement far transcends the Lexicon of any language ever presented to the world.”

And as Dr. Lane sets it out on the face page,
“Containing all the classical words and significations commonly known to the learned among the Arabs.”

For this reason we shall use this great lexicon which was mostly completed by 1876 ( and 53 years before the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929 that mightily changed our perception of the universe) for the explanation of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model (QCM) technical terms. If we do this we can never be accused of 'wangling' the words of the Qur'aan to fit up with what scientists have discovered only later. And those Arabic words presented by Lane are non other than the very Arabic words he had selected from the great Arabic dictionaries that go back up to over a thousand years earlier and that ultimately get traced back to the tongue of the Messenger of ALLAAH (S+) to whom the Qur'aan was revealed.
In posts to follow we shall begin to analyze the QCM technical terms we have mentioned; present their geometrical mathematical delineations; extrapolate there mathematical equations and so forth.



Observe and reflect over everything carefully!


To be continued inshaa allaah (if ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).

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We are now coming very close to seeing the visual presentation of the Qur'aan Cosmological Model extrapolated from the two Qur'aan Cosmological Model verses. Therefore let us now again here present the first Qur'aan Cosmological Model verse and then analyze it but this time via the meaning and definitions of its four technical terms as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary as compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929.


First QCM Verse 021:030

Have those who have disbelieved now not seen:-

that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.

And We made from water every living thing.

Will they now not believe?


The Qur'aan is a divine book that addresses humanity throughout time.Therefore certain passages are not always clear to those who do not understand this important principal. The first QCM verse is one of those time event verses that will only become fully understood and appreciated after the subject of its statement has become known. This is not because the Qur'aan is not clear on the matter but because the nature of man is that he will not accept that which he has physically seen or proven - one of the great qualities of man if one removes any type of belief from his personality. Another quality of man is that he likes to conform with 'what is' and dislikes to be disturbed from his perceived comfort zones even if they might turn out to be wrong - one of the bad qualities of man.

If we look at the first QCM verse we see that it is a definite statement made about something and framed into a question that demands reflection and an answer. A reflection and an answer that could never have made sense to anyone prior to 1929 when it was discovered that the universe was expanding and by implication had to originate from some point back in time. Therefore it is a verse that most appropriately applies to our generation and our generation only. What a great honour and a concern that must be. For if it is like that then we must ask why are we being addressed? What is the purpose of it all?

Let us look at and ponder over the question! We observe that ALLAAH (God) the Originator of the Heavens and the Earth (i.e. the Universe) addresses a group of people whom He calls 'those who have disbelieved'. He asks them via the believers the following question, " Have you now not seen?" And what is it that ALLAAH asks them what they have now not seen? He says,

that the samaawaat and the ‘arD

(1)- were both Ratq

(2)- and so We Fataq them both again.

And what is the samaawaat and what is the‘arD that He describe were both once upon a time Ratq and that He then did Fataq them both again.
In the next post we shall analyze the two important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical terms 'samaawaat' and '‘arD' and as we have already said but this time via the meaning and definitions as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929.
We will also have a look at who the exact people are whom are being addressed in the Qur'aan.

To be continued inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - GOD had willed).

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Defining samaa’ (singular of samaawaat) the first important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term.

It is sometimes important just to repeat certain keywords or phrases in order to become familiar with the concepts involved. There must be understanding and not just casual reading. It is always good for you to revise or go over the previous posts. You will be amazed how much you have missed before and how much you will gain from a second and a third and so forth repeated reading.

Let us now analyze the two important Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical terms 'samaawaat' and '‘arD' as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929.

What is the samaawaat?
As has been said before ‘samaawaat’ is the plural of the Arabic word ‘samaa’’ and is derived from the Arabic root verb meaning:-

- he or it was, or became, high, lofty, raised, upraised, uplifted, upreared, exalted, or elevated.
- he or it rose, or rose high.
-he or it rose higher or above.

As a noun it has the following meanings:-
-the higher, or upper, or highest, or uppermost, part of anything.
-the sky, or heavens.

Let us analyze the meaning of the word ‘samaa’’ which is the singular of 'samaawaat'.

When we study the Qur'aan we will see that the word ‘samaa’’ and its plural 'samaawaat' occurs about about 310 times in the Qur'aan. When these verses are studied it will be seen that the word ‘samaa’’ is not an object but refers to the open space that surrounds the objects of the universe or in other words it is the depiction of the vast space in which all the elements of the universe find itself including the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. It refers to that part of the Universe in which motion and 'clumpiness' take place. Here is a verse of the Qur'aan that gives us that depiction:-

The Qur'aan 22:18
"...that unto ALLAAH bow down whoever is in the 'samaawaat... and the Sun, and the Moon, and the Stars..."

The Qur'aan also gives other descriptions for various types of samaa' such as for example that part immediately above the earth where the birds fly.

The Qur'aan 16:79
"... the birds that are subjected to the jaww (the air or atmosphere) of the samaa’."

The Qur'aan 41:11
Another verse which we shall not go into here says that 'The samaa' was in a certain 'smoke' state and ALLAAH caused it to undergo a state of obedience and then He completed it as seven samaawaat (plural of samaa’). We are told that the seven samaawaat are like enormous spheres one beyond the other and that our position is in the lowest of the samaawaat and is callad the samaa’ of the dunyaa (world or lower world).

The Qur'aan contrasts samaa’ with ‘arD which are two opposing but complementary states of the universe: Space verses Matter; One inherently expansive and the other inherently contractive.

In the next post I shall define the Qur'aan Cosmological Model technical term '‘arD' as found in the great Arabic - English dictionary compiled by Edward William Lane over 53 years prior to the discovery of the expansion of the universe by Edwin Hubble in 1929. After that we shall begin with the construction of the Qur'aan cosmological model.


Below is a graphical illustration for the Qur'aan Cosmological Model Technical Term samaa' (singular of samaawaat).



Continued in posts to follow inshaa allaah (If ALLAAH - ELOHIYM - God had willed).

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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 09 December 2012 at 8:03am
Another great ability of man or, if you prefer, another great fallability of man, is his ability to imagine all sorts of nonsense from the smallest of things.  An excellent example of this is the visage of Christ found by a British woman on a piece of burned cheese toast.  Another more recent example are the posts I've been reading on this topic right here.
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