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Quote Mohammad Shafiq Replybullet Posted: 29 November 2012 at 5:28am
Most of the religions are corrupted by so-called scholars or corruptors.The best approach would be to rectify religions of the wholesale corruptions for which humanity would need courageous philanthropist philosophers. The human religion is very simple in principle and also very simple to explain. Humans have souls and souls have three characteristics namely
1. Human Ego (the I of the individual)
2. Innate knowledge of the Creator
3. Innate Moral Law (innate knowledge of rightness & wrongness of all actions humans may do & even think of doing)
Now souls are not made up of matter and are made up of substance which cannot be physically seen.
There have been messengers of the Creator whose job was to convey good news & warn humanity.
Good news is that human souls are eternal and warning is that humans will be answerable for the actions of their lifetime as to whether they lived in accordance of the defined Moral Law and in the afterlife their state of existence would depend upon their actions of the lifetime.This is crux of religion & everything which contradicts these basic principles of religion is corruption.
Now their has to be a system of governance where the law is based on Moral Law. Any other system of governance where laws are not based on moral law would be just impracticable. This is the task of genuine & courageous philosophers to rectify religions of the corruptions & conceive a system of governance based on moral law.
A very brief synopsis would clarify my work to you & all members & justify the relevance of my work to paradigm shift in physics. Aristotle considered space as finite & absolute, time as absolute and matter as absolute thereby God had no power on space, time & matter but he empowered God with the power as Prime Mover of everything (matter). Newton through his laws held that matter moves in nature not because of God but because of inherent nature of matter by which matter attracts other matter.Coming to how Newton's Laws are wrong? From the time of Aristotle space was considered as finite & absolute till 1905. Thus at the time Newton also same perspective of space was held.
Now then finite space means that the universe has boundaries and according to Law of Gravitation the stars/galaxies on the periphery of the universe will be attracted towards the central universe and according to 2nd Law of Motion these peripheral stars/galaxies will accelerate towards the centre of the universe finally to collapse there. Thus finite space (the nature of space known at the time of Newton) and Law of Gravitation are contradictory. Newton assumed sun at rest but under Newton's Laws the rest condition of any celestrial object is just not possible. Having rejected the Descartes's aether and assumed the space as vacuum; in the 1st Law of Motion he states that objects with uniform (linear) motion faces absolutely no resistance but under second Law of Motion Newton states that objects pose resistance to the change in motion which he represented by inertia or mass. He assigns no physical reason to this resistance to the change in motion and it is here the philosophy/rationality was sacrificed on mathematics. Now even today physicists do not know what is mass & where it is in the particles. Adoption of Newton's Laws was the greatest scientific error in the history of science. This was done by Newton to reject the existence of aether which was scientifically introduced by Descartes. Newton introduced irrational & incorrect laws which closed the doors of investigation into the existence of God especially by rejecting the existence of aether which together with nature of light contained the secrets of reality. It is very well known that Newton laws cannot be correct as explained by Mach & others; whatever corrections were required those corrections Einstein introduced with the help very confusing trickeries (described in detail in my article Experimental & Theoretical Evidences of Fallacy of Space-time Concept and Actual State of Existence of the Physical Universe http://www.indjst.org; March2012). Now a paradigm of physics was defined by Einstein under which God just cannot exist. Four constituents of the universe were reduced to two by Einstein namely space-time concept and matter & energy transmutability where space is emergent, matter is emergent and time is interconnected with space. Philosophically for any existence including God there are two basic requirements namely space & substance. Without discussing the substance; by the emergent space is meant that space came into existence at a point in time as such there is no possiblity that eternal God could have existed before the space came into existence i.e. 13.7 billion years ago or thereafter. Both of them; Newton & Einstein; had rejected aether before introducing their laws & theories. Whereas aether has been shown to be existing and containing the secrets of light & time. Once aether is accepted space is again finite & absolute, time is relative depending upon motion of the observer, and as humans perceive it, time is emergent and matter is not absolute but emergent. Now for emergence of matter & time the existence of God is a pre-condition and once we investigate the matter, aether & forces in nature there have to be substances which do not have electromagnetic properties & cannot be seen. Soul & God being substances without any electromagnetic properties as such both cannot be seen.
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 9:29am
What I don't believe is your fabricated conflict.
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Quote nospam001 Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 2:52pm
Me too. How can God's existence ever be in conflict with mere 'laws' of nature? God can do anything, surely. He has a track record of intentionally fabricating physical evidence, just to lead people astray. Take fossils, for example, all expertly buried in just the right places to indicate evolution. Why would God not choose to interfere in the same manner with cosmological observations, or inside particle accelerators? The less direct evidence for God that we are allowed to see, the greater is the test of Faith, and therefore the more worthy are those who still Believe. Or so we are told.

God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 8:08pm

I like it Nospam.  God put the false scientific evidence out there to test us, or rather, them.

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Quote bunter Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2012 at 3:02am
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I like it Nospam. God put the false scientific evidence out there to test us, or rather, them.



No, this would imply that God deliberately lies
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Quote Mohammad Shafiq Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2012 at 3:48am
Humans have to 'Know Thyself' (in the Socrates's sense) to understand their purpose and creator. Consciousness & conscience are beyond the domain of physical & biological sciences and if you ponder on the origin & existence of the universe through correct physical sciences one arrives at one & only one conclusion and that is there is evident & obvious God Who cannot be visible to humans physically.
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Quote schmikbob Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2012 at 7:38am
Sarcasm, Bunter, sarcasm.
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Quote Helios Replybullet Posted: 01 December 2012 at 12:13pm
It is most interesting to read that someone would rely solely on a tale told by a fallible man than the product of millions of experiments on a singular question. Your logic speaks only of accepting an a truth that cannot proven beyond the word of man. I call this ignorance. I believe in God, the creator of all living and nonliving entities within the cosmos. However, Islam/religion in general is the product of man's, who in his essence is fallible, desire for power and control of the thoughts and beliefs of the masses. Those who cannot find God within them and have to be shown God through a flawed creature is a creature that subconsciously wants nothing more than to be told what to do, how to do it, and when. I pity those fools of Islam.
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