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Posted: 03 December 2012 at 3:13pm

Originally posted by peacemaker

Assalamu
Alaikum/Peace be on you,

Here is an
informative lecture by Miko Peled, the son of an Israeli general:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ

Jazakallah,
everyone interested in understanding Palestinian Israeli issue need to see this video.
This guy is a true believer, in truth, and there are many people like him. I hope the world see it. Many know it, hope they stand up for the right.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 03 December 2012 at 3:22pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 03 December 2012 at 3:48pm

Gotta say, with the latest developments it seems neither side will work towards peace. One just keeps instigating with the other, on and on. This is why Britain got fed up and left. Neither side will do any thing to build trust with one another.
Just watched a very interesting discussion of the situation on PBS Newshour.
At this point I am all for sanctions of Israel, for their arrogance. I wonder if the U.S. president will act.
Truth does reveal itself.

Edited by Caringheart - 03 December 2012 at 3:52pm

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Posted: 04 December 2012 at 6:16am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Gotta say, with the latest developments it seems neither side will work towards peace. One just keeps instigating with the other, on and on. This is why Britain got fed up and left. Neither side will do any thing to build trust with one another.
Just watched a very interesting discussion of the situation on PBS Newshour.
At this point I am all for sanctions of Israel, for their arrogance. I wonder if the U.S. president will act.
Truth does reveal itself.

I agree. I'm totally outraged by yesterday's announcement for building new settlements in the West Bank. Israelis need to vote for a different government. Otherwise we won't see any progress.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt

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Posted: 04 December 2012 at 3:01pm

Matt and Caringheart,
I agree that this time United States has to be tough and stand firm, because this has happened so many times before and Israel has built tens of such settlements each time, and get away with that as the US gives in to the Zionist pressure in Washington.
I hope the US shows them the door this time. It can help build our image as a strong independent country, not bending to anyone's pressure, nor blackmailed by Israeli lobby.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 04 December 2012 at 3:03pm

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Posted: 04 December 2012 at 7:40pm

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Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:54am

I agree. Likewise should all Islamic countries be tough and stand firm against the Hamas approach. We need moderation on both sides.

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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 9:26pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Ok, so I don't see where all the confusion is.

Gaza-Israel Nov. 14, 15, 2012

a few facts

The operation, launched after days of rocket fire from the coastal territory, was Israel's most intense attack on Gaza since its full-scale war there four years ago.

The Israeli military said the some 20 airstrikes were part of a major offensive dubbed "Operation Pillar of Defense," according to a Reuters report.

Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets on several locations in Gaza early Thursday, warning Gazans to stay away from Hamas, other militants and their facilities.

The Israeli military said its aircraft targeted more than 20 facilities that served as storage or launching sites for rockets.

For the past four years, Israel and Hamas have largely observed an informal truce. But in recent weeks, the calm has unraveled in a bout of rocket attacks from Gaza and retaliatory Israeli airstrikes.

In my view. If Gaza/Hamas is going to continue aggression towards Israel how is it then that they cry out at the consequences brought about by their own actions? When Gaza aims its projectiles at Israel they are untargeted, heading for nothing more than civilian populations. When Israel strikes back with deadly accuracy at militarial targets they are condemned. Yes, Israel is more deadly, so stop the aggression. There are consequences for actions. When a mosquito continues to buzz around ones ear eventually it gets swatted.
I just don't get it.
Yes I grieve at the deadly force of Israel and the deaths that are involved, but the deaths of innocent persons are on both sides of the fence. I understand that Israel wants an end to the aggression constantly aimed at their civilian population. They think that the display of their power will convince the other side not to engage deadly forces. At least they are not just sending random rockets into Gaza. They do have specified targets.
I know this is an unpopular view on this forum, but facts are facts, and we must look at the situation as it is.

I just wish all the aggression would stop and people would behave like civilized human beings and reach a settlement with one another.

Caringheart,

Are you aware that before the rocket attacks and during times of "lull", the IDF has been shooting Palestinian fishermen and farmers in Gaza trying to harvest their crops???

http://palsolidarity.org/tag/fishermen/

Do you have any idea how the IDF treats Palestinians in the West Bank???

I have been there personally, please feel free to check out my blog:

www.livingstones-tomasz.blogspot.com

During my few weeks in Hebron, I witnessed a settler beating of a Palestinian in his own yard, witnessed settlers invade Palestinian property and stone sheep, witnessed the IDF throw sound grenades at, and beat up and arrest peaceful demonstrators, saw a Palestinian field that was set on fire with petrol, was called in to respond to a settler attack on a Palestinian family, was beaten up by settlers and hospitalized and was threatened by the Israeli army, was also in a Bedouin village that a week after our visit was demolished by the Israeli police and army in the Negev. This was from early July to the third week of August, 2010 when things were 'peaceful'.

No, I do not support Hamas or their rocket attacks that terrify and injure and at times kill Israeli civilians. But to portray Israel as a "victim" in this is a joke.

I invite you to visit Israel and Palestine and see what is happening.

Please please please do not be one of those 'christians' who defends Israel's abuses of the Palestinian people. By doing so you not only act against Jesus who will judge us on the basis of how we treated the poor and oppressed (Matt 25:31-49) but also defend injustice in His name.

Wake up!!!!

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Posted: 24 December 2012 at 3:00pm

Thank you TG12345,

I did not know of these other injustices, and this is horrible.
I have been looking for people to talk to online for just this reason.
(I have been so pleased to speak with a few Iranians on another forum.) I can not travel to see for myself the full truth of the situation and do not like to rely on media reporting. I do know the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. I definitely did not mean to portray Israel as a victim, but only meant to say that I understand their retaliations. You did see where I said,
"I just wish all the aggression would stop and people would behave like civilized human beings and reach a settlement with one another."
I did, and do, mean the aggression on both sides. Only when people can treat each other equally as human beings will we find peace with one another.
Now, yes, the world needs to know more of these other things.
Thanks for sharing.
Caringheart

added thought: Can we not make this about being 'Christian' or non-Christian? This is a humanity issue. There are plenty of people of all faiths, and of no faith, that I am sure are not well informed. How many are simply struggling every day for their own survival? How many are there, that do not have the ability to travel, and have never traveled? We can only know what we know, and what we have time for seeking.

Edited by Caringheart - 24 December 2012 at 3:22pm

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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 03 December 2012 at 3:13pm
	*Originally posted by peacemaker* <!--[if gte mso 9]><> <o:OfficeSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeSettings> </><![endif]--> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Assalamu Alaikum/Peace be on you, </span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Here is an informative lecture by Miko Peled, the son of an Israeli general:</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ</span> Jazakallah, everyone interested in understanding Palestinian Israeli issue need to see this video. This guy is a true believer, in truth, and there are many people like him. I hope the world see it. Many know it, hope they stand up for the right. Hasan Edited by honeto - 03 December 2012 at 3:22pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 03 December 2012 at 3:48pm
	Gotta say, with the latest developments it seems neither side will work towards peace. One just keeps instigating with the other, on and on. This is why Britain got fed up and left. Neither side will do any thing to build trust with one another. Just watched a very interesting discussion of the situation on PBS Newshour. At this point I am all for sanctions of Israel, for their arrogance. I wonder if the U.S. president will act. Truth does reveal itself. Edited by Caringheart - 03 December 2012 at 3:52pm
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 04 December 2012 at 6:16am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* Gotta say, with the latest developments it seems neither side will work towards peace. One just keeps instigating with the other, on and on. This is why Britain got fed up and left. Neither side will do any thing to build trust with one another. Just watched a very interesting discussion of the situation on PBS Newshour. At this point I am all for sanctions of Israel, for their arrogance. I wonder if the U.S. president will act. Truth does reveal itself. I agree. I'm totally outraged by yesterday's announcement for building new settlements in the West Bank. Israelis need to vote for a different government. Otherwise we won't see any progress.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 04 December 2012 at 3:01pm
	Matt and Caringheart, I agree that this time United States has to be tough and stand firm, because this has happened so many times before and Israel has built tens of such settlements each time, and get away with that as the US gives in to the Zionist pressure in Washington. I hope the US shows them the door this time. It can help build our image as a strong independent country, not bending to anyone's pressure, nor blackmailed by Israeli lobby. Hasan Edited by honeto - 04 December 2012 at 3:03pm
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 16 December 2012 at 7:54am
	I agree. Likewise should all Islamic countries be tough and stand firm against the Hamas approach. We need moderation on both sides.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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TG12345 Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 16 December 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 280	Posted: 23 December 2012 at 9:26pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* Ok, so I don't see where all the confusion is. Gaza-Israel Nov. 14, 15, 2012 a few facts The operation, launched after days of rocket fire from the coastal territory, was Israel's most intense attack on Gaza since its full-scale war there four years ago. The Israeli military said the some 20 airstrikes were part of a major offensive dubbed "Operation Pillar of Defense," according to a Reuters report. Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets on several locations in Gaza early Thursday, warning Gazans to stay away from Hamas, other militants and their facilities. The Israeli military said its aircraft targeted more than 20 facilities that served as storage or launching sites for rockets. For the past four years, Israel and Hamas have largely observed an informal truce. But in recent weeks, the calm has unraveled in a bout of rocket attacks from Gaza and retaliatory Israeli airstrikes. In my view. If Gaza/Hamas is going to continue aggression towards Israel how is it then that they cry out at the consequences brought about by their own actions? When Gaza aims its projectiles at Israel they are untargeted, heading for nothing more than civilian populations. When Israel strikes back with deadly accuracy at militarial targets they are condemned. Yes, Israel is more deadly, so stop the aggression. There are consequences for actions. When a mosquito continues to buzz around ones ear eventually it gets swatted. I just don't get it. Yes I grieve at the deadly force of Israel and the deaths that are involved, but the deaths of innocent persons are on both sides of the fence. I understand that Israel wants an end to the aggression constantly aimed at their civilian population. They think that the display of their power will convince the other side not to engage deadly forces. At least they are not just sending random rockets into Gaza. They do have specified targets. I know this is an unpopular view on this forum, but facts are facts, and we must look at the situation as it is. I just wish all the aggression would stop and people would behave like civilized human beings and reach a settlement with one another. Caringheart, Are you aware that before the rocket attacks and during times of "lull", the IDF has been shooting Palestinian fishermen and farmers in Gaza trying to harvest their crops??? http://palsolidarity.org/tag/fishermen/ Do you have any idea how the IDF treats Palestinians in the West Bank??? I have been there personally, please feel free to check out my blog: www.livingstones-tomasz.blogspot.com During my few weeks in Hebron, I witnessed a settler beating of a Palestinian in his own yard, witnessed settlers invade Palestinian property and stone sheep, witnessed the IDF throw sound grenades at, and beat up and arrest peaceful demonstrators, saw a Palestinian field that was set on fire with petrol, was called in to respond to a settler attack on a Palestinian family, was beaten up by settlers and hospitalized and was threatened by the Israeli army, was also in a Bedouin village that a week after our visit was demolished by the Israeli police and army in the Negev. This was from early July to the third week of August, 2010 when things were 'peaceful'. No, I do not support Hamas or their rocket attacks that terrify and injure and at times kill Israeli civilians. But to portray Israel as a "victim" in this is a joke. I invite you to visit Israel and Palestine and see what is happening. Please please please do not be one of those 'christians' who defends Israel's abuses of the Palestinian people. By doing so you not only act against Jesus who will judge us on the basis of how we treated the poor and oppressed (Matt 25:31-49) but also defend injustice in His name. Wake up!!!!
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 24 December 2012 at 3:00pm
	Thank you TG12345, I did not know of these other injustices, and this is horrible. I have been looking for people to talk to online for just this reason. (I have been so pleased to speak with a few Iranians on another forum.) I can not travel to see for myself the full truth of the situation and do not like to rely on media reporting. I do know the truth always lies somewhere in the middle. I definitely did not mean to portray Israel as a victim, but only meant to say that I understand their retaliations. You did see where I said, "I just wish all the aggression would stop and people would behave like civilized human beings and reach a settlement with one another." I did, and do, mean the aggression on both sides. Only when people can treat each other equally as human beings will we find peace with one another. Now, yes, the world needs to know more of these other things. Thanks for sharing. Caringheart added thought: Can we not make this about being 'Christian' or non-Christian? This is a humanity issue. There are plenty of people of all faiths, and of no faith, that I am sure are not well informed. How many are simply struggling every day for their own survival? How many are there, that do not have the ability to travel, and have never traveled? We can only know what we know, and what we have time for seeking. Edited by Caringheart - 24 December 2012 at 3:22pm
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