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Caringheart
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Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310 |
![]() Posted: 22 November 2012 at 6:47pm |
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six day war
in the run up to the Six-Day War, Israel’s existence seemed to hang in the balance. As the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan openly prepared for battle against Israel, and Arab leaders and the Arab "street" called for its destruction, Israel faced frightful choices.Much more here: http://www.sixdaywar.org/precursors.asp Today is just more continuation of the same. It must be acknowledged that all people have the right to exist in equality with one another. Unless and until that can happen there will be no peace. It is of interest to note that the Israeli's too have had to live and deal with blockades. Was there any outcry about that when it was happening to them? They've dealt with exile, and with being refugees in the world. Let's look at how differently they dealt with their circumstances, their fate, their predicament. Look at how well Iran right now, is dealing, and coping with, its situation. It is being maleable, exerting their efforts in adjusting and innovating, to the hardships they have found themselves under. Edited by Caringheart - 23 November 2012 at 11:48am |
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Ron Webb
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![]() Posted: 22 November 2012 at 7:40pm |
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This is very simple. The Gaza Strip, the West Bank and the Golan Heights did not belong to Israel. They were always intended to be Arab, according to the original UN Partition Plan. Israel took them by force, and refused to give them back despite repeated UN Resolutions demanding that they do so.
All that other stuff you mentioned is true. Like I keep saying, there is plenty of blame to go around here, and I'm not by any means suggesting that the Palestinians are entirely innocent victims. But Israel stole the occupied territories. That is a fact, and no amount of whinging about Arab aggression can change it.
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Ron Webb
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![]() Posted: 22 November 2012 at 7:51pm |
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Originally posted by Caringheart
But, how did any civilization begin? How did any civilization build itself? Bricks are made of sand and straw, or mud and clay. People have been living in the land of Palestine a very long time. How have they done it in the past? Yes, civilization built itself up from sand and straw. And it took thousands of years. Pardon me if I don't think that's a reasonable suggestion. Pardon the Palestinians if they are not content to be pushed back into the Stone Age.
Now as to my answer to your question... I guess there is no answer, we will have to wait and see.
Of course there is an answer, and I think you know very well what it is. Every act of aggression on one side leads to new acts of aggression from the other side. You see that plainly when Palestinians attack Iraelis. Why can you not see it (or admit it) when Israelis attack Palestinians? |
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Shaik Speare
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![]() Posted: 23 November 2012 at 6:09am |
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After all the death and destruction, back to status quo.
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Shaik Speare
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![]() Posted: 23 November 2012 at 11:18am |
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Originally posted by Caringheart Yes, the restraint shown by Israel before they needed to react is extraordinary. If the mainstream media cared to report unbiased, we would have known that since the end of operation cast lead and upto october 2012 - just 271 Gazans were killed by the IDF and in self defense, while the Gazans genocided a whopping ZERO Israelis!
Originally posted by Blake I am in agreement with Blake.What we are saying is that the reporting on both sides must be done, not just the one side. Israel has been under constant attack for a very extended period of time before they retaliated... but during all that time it was not at all being reported in the general media, so it makes this retaliation seem unjustified. Why do we only hear about the attacks on Gaza and not the attacks on Israel that they live with every day? People are being wounded regularly in Israel also.Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all. |
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Caringheart
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![]() Posted: 23 November 2012 at 11:42am |
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Others have done it... have had to do it. How do you think America was settled? How about Australia?Yes, civilization built itself up from sand and straw. And it took thousands of years. Pardon me if I don't think that's a reasonable suggestion. Pardon the Palestinians if they are not content to be pushed back into the Stone Age.
Of course there is an answer, and I think you know very well what it is. Every act of aggression on one side leads to new acts of aggression from the other side. You see that plainly when Palestinians attack Iraelis. Why can you not see it (or admit it) when Israelis attack Palestinians? If that were true none of the previous wars would have ever ended. Wars end when one recognizes that it is overpowered by the other and either desists in their aggression or is made to desist. and the other part of it... Israel is not attacking, it is defending itself. I have not seen Israel go on the attack, only seek to defend itself from attack. Germany went on the attack. Other countries sought to defend themselves. Germany was eventually overpowered and defeated. That put an end to it. |
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Caringheart
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![]() Posted: 23 November 2012 at 11:45am |
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Israel took them by force, and refused to give them back And why did they do this? Simple; self preservation. It is every human's instinct to preserve oneself. |
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Blake
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![]() Posted: 23 November 2012 at 11:57am |
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Originally posted by Caringheart Originally posted by Ron Webb
Originally posted by Blake
Unfortunately there is a one way bais in news reporting and it is actually hurting the Palestinians in the end of it all. The reality is that the situation is asymmetric: there is far more death and destruction on the Gaza side. Do you want the media to report that reality, or would you rather have some make-believe fantasy story that suits your ideology? If I may interject here... I am in agreement with Blake. Thanks Caring heart..... that's right. As I was saying, the deaths of the GAza civilians should not be downplayed or discounted in any way. But ,.... had the INTERNATIONAL news outlets been reporting heavily on the rocket attacks throught the summer and condemning them.... it is quite possible we may not be experiencing what we are seeing now. How can Hammas be pressured to stop firing rockets when it's bareley reported ...and when it is reported its treated as no big deal becaus ethere are few deaths. World opinion sides with the Paletinians to the point where it is actually hurting them Because they are being enabled. I guarantee if Syria was firing rockets into Turkey every day for 8 months or so ... they would do something about it. Any other country in the world would. |
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