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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 3:56am
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Matt, every religious hierarchy has its dark side. And thank God Islam does not have hierarchy. World cannot forget the Catholic Popes and their dark ages of terror and horror with which they ruled for centuries across Europe and the early Americas. Thank God it's over. Saudi Wahabism is no comparison to what the Popes has done. Good thing is there is no hierarchy in Islam, unlike Catholicism so there is not chance of what happened in case of Popes.
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I'm a Protestant and I hope that the Catholic Church continues to evolve. Their strict hierarchy is indeed not a good thing. Yes, the world should not forget the Catholic popes and their dark ages of terror and horror. But the world should also not forget the terror and horror created by Islamic imperalism between 632 CE and 1683 CE. Yes, thank God it's over in most parts of the world. But in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Somalia, parts of Nigeria the horror continues. And Egypt might be on its way to restablishing Islamic horror as proposed by the past's leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood Sayyid Qutb.
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 4:53am
Caringheart, I have also wondered about giving proper greetings and salutations when engaging in conversation with Muslims. I have read that some greetings are restricted to the use of Muslims only, so to avoid any mistakes I just try to be polite and treat everyone with appreciation and respect. I posted a new topic about this, called "Muslim greetings non-Muslims can use in forums".


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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 5:29am

Assalamu alaikum Matt Browne.

 

It is indeed a pleasure that you are not prejudiced against the teaching of Muhammad Rasulullah and that you have a sincere and open heart with receptors to catch his universal teaching. I have read a lot of the writing of the Orientalists on Muhammad Rasulullah starting from Professor William Muir. Their comments were based on the distorted version of his life and the meaning of the Qur’an that sprang from 660 A.H. This is present today because the West is alienated from understanding Muhammad and whatever a Westerner says is wrong or a fabrication. Thus the Westerners were barred from contributing to the Shari’a (living peacefully and warding off economic recession and depression all evil and indecencies disapproved in the Torah) and encouraging and supporting indirectly the Taliban and the Al-Qaeeda. This the West do by supporting the despotic corrupt irresponsible and incompetent regimes in the Muslim countries. Living in peaceful co-existence is different from attending the mosque and observing fully the actions of Muhammad. For example, what is the difference between the 358 prohibitions in the Torah from what Muhammad prohibited?

Contemporary belief in Islam means understanding the necessities for all and sundry in providing the cement and basal structure of the Shari’a of Muhammad: First of all we must give Allah his Right and this is translated as responsible leadership in the carriage and propagation of his Message- the functions of the Levi clan of the Children of Israel. This is followed by the rights of mankind-housing, security and equal opportunities in employment. This task was never restricted to the followers of Muhammad and it is what according to my understanding Professor William Muir termed as the ‘Universal religion’ brought by Muhammad Rasulullah. Now, the followers of Muhammad are saying that it is only them that can bring about that to mankind. But they failed utterly for one reason that they will never agree. No one will change this status quo, until they are shown by others not born as Muslims their utter ignorance on the basic fundamental teaching of Muhammad. How can Muhammad be a universal warner and bringer of glad tidings if he restricts his teaching to only those who openly but surreptitiously reject him?

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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 30 November 2012 at 7:05am
Friendship, I am open to understanding any teachings, which doesn't mean I will agree with everything that is part of the teachings. The good part of the teachings presented by you is the attempt to build bridges between followers of different religions. I appreciate this very much. I wonder why a verse like "Instill terror in the hearts of the unbelievers" ended up in the Qur'an [8:12]. I'm receiving mixed messages. There is the part about love and there is the part about hate. I can understand that hate gets created in times of war. The Prophet became a victim in Mecca because the polytheists didn't tolerate him. He was rightly upset about this. Tolerating followers of other religions is fundamental to me. And your sources seem to follow this principle. But a caliphate cannot replace a secular state.

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