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Quote Experiential Replybullet Topic: Muslims confuse Mary
    Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:06am

According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron.

Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron.

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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 13 November 2012 at 10:54am
Originally posted by Experiential

According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron.

Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron.

 
Are you an id iot  or just plain stu pid?
 
Surah 19:28 is simply referring to her lineage as she was descended from the Levi clan, Aaron (pbuh) being an ancestor.
 
Threads like this makes you look like the fo ol that you are.


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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 14 November 2012 at 3:44pm
I believe whoever this Experiential guy is he is really making these senseless and irresponsible statements for some particular reason other than to really learn. Just look at the time he is up writing his posts, he is up to something, may be trying to catch H.spirit or something haha!
Caringheart makes us believe that his sense making posts are never posted, should we believe him in light of these senseless statements being posted clear.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 14 November 2012 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by honeto

I believe whoever this Experiential guy is he is really making these senseless and irresponsible statements for some particular reason other than to really learn. Just look at the time he is up writing his posts, he is up to something, may be trying to catch H.spirit or something haha!
Caringheart makes us believe that his sense making posts are never posted, should we believe him in light of these senseless statements being posted clear.
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Well bro he's obviously a man who hates Islam as he seems to research and post anti-Islamic material. He doesn't listen to the answers we give him, he comes back again again with the same questions and posts as if what we say is going over his head. Every question he asked, we answered.
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Quote Experiential Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2012 at 1:39am
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Originally posted by Experiential

According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron.

Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron.

 
Are you an id iot  or just plain stu pid?
 
Surah 19:28 is simply referring to her lineage as she was descended from the Levi clan, Aaron (pbuh) being an ancestor.
 
Threads like this makes you look like the fo ol that you are.

Firstly your sarcasm and aggression is inappropriate. If you cannot engage in discussion with maturity then you have no place in this forum.

 

So you are saying that Mary (mother of Jesus) descended from Aaron rather than being his sister?

 

We know from the Injil that Marys cousin Elizabeth was connected with the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:36). But there is no indication this applies to Mary. There is no record of Mary (mother of jesus) descending from Aaron except in your Quaran which was written 600 years after the Injil so why should anyone believe something written 600 years later.

 

Also bearing in mind there are two Marys (Jesus mother and Aron sister) and what the Quran talks about Miriam, Aaron sister and Imrans daughter then the confusion seems apparent by the writer of verse 19.33.

 

 

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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2012 at 4:28am
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Are you an id iot  or just plain stu pid?
 
Surah 19:28 is simply referring to her lineage as she was descended from the Levi clan, Aaron (pbuh) being an ancestor.
 
Threads like this makes you look like the fo ol that you are.
I wonder why there are spaces in the words I highlighted above.  Could it be to obscure those words from the moderators, because you know that they do not permit such abusive language to be used on this forum?
 
If Experiential's point is so easily refuted, it should be possible to do so without ad hominems and without violating the forum rules, don't you think?
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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2012 at 4:32am
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Originally posted by Abu Loren

Are you an id iot  or just plain stu pid?
 
Surah 19:28 is simply referring to her lineage as she was descended from the Levi clan, Aaron (pbuh) being an ancestor.
 
Threads like this makes you look like the fo ol that you are.
I wonder why there are spaces in the words I highlighted above.  Could it be to obscure those words from the moderators, because you know that they do not permit such abusive language to be used on this forum?
 
If Experiential's point is so easily refuted, it should be possible to do so without ad hominems and without violating the forum rules, don't you think?
 
No because the impact of what I was trying to convey would be lost. He has been trying to discredit the Holy Qur'an for some time now and he should know that no human being can achieve it.
 
And you can get lost!
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Quote Salaam_Erin Replybullet Posted: 15 November 2012 at 7:21am
Surah 19:28:

"O sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil, nor was your mother unchaste."

Miriam was the sister of Aaron and Moses.  Mary is the English form of Miriam.  Miriam, Aaron and Moses were the children of Amram (Imran) and Jochebed. 

Surah 3:33-36:

"Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of Imran [Amram in the Bible] over the worlds- Descendants, some of them from others.  And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.  Mention when they wife of Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, concescrated, so accept this from me.  Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.  But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female."  And Allah was most knowing of what she delviered, and the male is not like the female.  "And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and her descendants from Satan, the expelled." 

I'll continue with the passage, as to give some context:

So to Ayah 37 onwards:

"So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah.  Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found her with provision.  He said, "O Mary, from where is this to you?"  She said, "It is from Allah.  Indeed, Allah provides for whom He wills without account."  At that, Zechariah called upon his Lord, saying, "My lord, grant me from Yourself a good offspring.  Indeed, You are the hearer of supplications."  So the angels called him while he was standing in prayer in the chamber, "Indeed, Allah gives you good tidings of John, confirming a word from Allah and honorable, abstaining, and a prophet from among the righteous."  (Ayahs 37-39.) 

The last bit refers to the promise of the conception, birth and career of John the Baptist.  When looking at ayahs 42-47 it is clearly Mary the mother of Jesus who is discussed.  So Mary has a brother called Aaron and a father called Imran.  And her son is Jesus. 

Moses and Aaron are called "Musa ibn Imran and "Harun ibn Imran in the Hadiths, just the same way as Mary is called "Maryam ibnat `Imran" in Sura 66:12.

Moses and Aaron are clearly depicted as brothers in both the Qur'an and the Bible. 


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