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Originally posted by Matt Browne

Originally posted by abuayisha

Originally posted by Matt Browne

In Germany, German laws supersede Islamic laws, and Muslims who disagree with this should choose to live in a different country.

Originally posted by Nausheen

I agree with you. If muslims cannot freely practice their faith in a nation, they should leave.
Often times it is merely the interpretation or application of law where citizens disagree.  I don't think one political party that differs on the spirit or letter of a given law would suggest the other party choose to live in a different country. Why not stay and exercises your rights to redress in the court and through the political process as an option to leaving?  Seems a bit draconian to suggest get out if you disagree.  Disagreements are what make democracies thrive in my estimation.You seem to have misunderstood. Everyone can disagree with a law as long as he or she still follows it. Muslims are welcome to stay in our countries when they honor this principle. I don't agree with all of our laws. That's why we have political parties and a parliament with the power to change laws.I was talking about the fundamental secular principle that German laws supersede Islamic laws. And Christian laws too. Muslims who reject secularism are a threat to the entire Western world. These Muslims are better off living in theocratic countries. That was my point.

Matt,

your countries, ha.

There are many Christians here in the USA (my country) that feel secularism is a threat to their faith and way of life. Where should they move to sir ??

Hasan  

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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 27 November 2012 at 11:15am
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* *Originally posted by abuayisha* *Originally posted by Matt Browne* In Germany, German laws supersede Islamic laws, and Muslims who disagree with this should choose to live in a different country. *Originally posted by Nausheen* I agree with you. If muslims cannot freely practice their faith in a nation, they should leave. Often times it is merely the interpretation or application of law where citizens disagree. I don't think one political party that differs on the spirit or letter of a given law would suggest the other party choose to live in a different country. Why not stay and exercises your rights to redress in the court and through the political process as an option to leaving? Seems a bit draconian to suggest get out if you disagree. Disagreements are what make democracies thrive in my estimation. You seem to have misunderstood. Everyone can disagree with a law as long as he or she still follows it. Muslims are welcome to stay in our countries when they honor this principle. I don't agree with all of our laws. That's why we have political parties and a parliament with the power to change laws.I was talking about the fundamental secular principle that German laws supersede Islamic laws. And Christian laws too. Muslims who reject secularism are a threat to the entire Western world. These Muslims are better off living in theocratic countries. That was my point. Matt, your countries, ha. There are many Christians here in the USA (my country) that feel secularism is a threat to their faith and way of life. Where should they move to sir ?? Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 30 November 2012 at 5:36am
	Good point, Hasan. Muslims born in the US and Christians born in the US can't be denied American citizenship. I was talking about all religious folks rejecting secularism (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus etc) who have or have held a different citizenship before they came to the US. If they don't support secularism and the American constitution, they should go back to their home country or move to a country which is closest to their non-secular worldview. I have a big issue with ultra-conservative Christians who feel that feel secularism is a threat to their faith and way of life. I challenge their views like I do challenge views of ultra-conservative Muslims. I think secularism is one of the greatest achievements of humanity since the Stone Age. It is worth defending. Today people take it for granted and we have to remind them what happened to Giordano Bruno. Edited by Matt Browne - 30 November 2012 at 5:38am
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