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Posted: 19 January 2013 at 9:48pm

Assalamu alaika Kish.

As for the Israelites we know the meaning of the word and its history. As for the Palestinians I can say that it refers to that land probably called generally Canaan or the land east of the river Jordan. According to the methodology of arguing in the teaching of Muhammad, there cannot be problem between them because they are different entities. Kish, if only each and every one follows the course of his Messenger, there will be peace in the world.
secondly, I asked the origin of the Palestinians in one of these threads, but I am yet to get an answer.
Thirdly, there are many Palestinians with Jewish blood and Jews with Palestinian blood. Let us be wise and friendly! If you have read the Talmud, Torah and the explanations passed to us by the Rabbis, Isaac and Ishmael lived in Palestinian as mutual loving and hearty brothers.

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Posted: 19 January 2013 at 10:17pm

Assalamu alaika Kish.

You said: Was Muhammad aware of an uncorrupted version of the Holy Scriptures when he was told to recite?

Answer: At that instant he did not know.

You said: If so, where and why didn’t this so call ‘angel Gabriel’ tell Muhammad to correct it?

Answer: Muhammad did not know about the allegations of those who called themselves Christians until 9 years after his migration to Madina when he was visited by that folk from Najran. It was during their exchange of Scriptural texts that they rose the question of trinity. There and then chapter 3 was revealed. When he told them the true nature of Jesus son of Maryam, they did not disagree. They went back and after reflecting on the truth they rejected what was said but trinity

You said: If so, why did Allah fail to preserve it as he promised he would?

Answer: The greatest preservation is the failure of humanity to correct itself by using its own code of conduct. If you want to test that preservation, it was done between 623-632 A.C. If that way of life is repeated today, then you will be assured of that preservation.

You said: Why didn’t Jesus 12 Apostles say they were corrupted,

Answer: Were they alive during the time of Muhammad?

You said: only modern Muslims?

Answer: It was the Levi clan of the children of Israel in Madina who conferred the authenticity of the Qur'an (what Allah revealed to Muhammad). So they are the ones to be blamed.

Answer: Also, there are over a dozen passages in the Quran that says to believe, read and follow the Gospel, how could you if it was corrupted?

Answer: They are more than a dozen. The truth is 95% of the Qur'an is from previous Scriptures. Muhammad challenged the Levi clan in Madina to bring a Book from Allah better than the Talmud and the Qur'an in guidance and improving socio-economic conditions for him to follow.

You said: Either way this brings on a serious, serious problem for Muslims not for Christians.

Answer: I believe the opposite is the truth. The followers of Muhammad recognized those who called themselves Christians more than the Jews. Conflict began between the Jews and the Christians and never with the followers of Muhammad.

You said: Besides, Muslims do not even have the original copies of the Qur'an let alone the original Qur'an. If anything, just word of mouth and you know how unreliable that is where as the Holy Scriptures have eye-witness testimonies of the event.

Answer: So, it is you who knows and have the original copy of the Qur'an. Then bring it out and read it. It must contain guidance for mankind. If you follow it, you can will win Taliban and al-Qaeda.

Deuteronomy 6:4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. Yehwah′ ’Elo·heh′nu Yehwah′
Holy Qur'an 2:163: And your Ilaah (God) is One Ilaah, La ilaaha Illa Huwa (there is none who has the right to be worshipped but he) the Most Gracious, the most Merciful.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 9:44am

Greetings Friendship,

"I asked the origin of the Palestinians in one of these threads, but I am yet to get an answer."

I did a whole lot of reading and research on this a while back. I don't have time to pull out all that research now, but basically the Palestinians are the arabs who moved into the land around Jerusalem after the Jews were driven out and the land was left vacant... and those arabs who emigrated to the land after the return of the Jews, when the Jews rebuilt the land, and jobs became available. I am not speaking of the return of Jews after 1947, but prior.
(I have changed computers so most of my research is on flash drive now and difficult to track down. i used to use two different computers)

"Thirdly, there are many Palestinians with Jewish blood and Jews with Palestinian blood. Let us be wise and friendly!"

Absolutely correct... all brothers.

"If you have read the Talmud, Torah and the explanations passed to us by the Rabbis, Isaac and Ishmael lived in Palestinian as mutual loving and hearty brothers."

Really, this is what the Rabbi's teach? Thanks for sharing. I have long wanted to delve into what is taught in Judaism.

Salaam,
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Posted: 22 January 2013 at 5:04am

Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords.

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Posted: 22 January 2013 at 1:25pm

Originally posted by Friendship

Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords.

Friendship.

Hello Friendship,

I am confused by your confusion... "from Canaan to today"?
You mean from the time Moses led his people to the land of Canaan?
That is what I was addressing.

Salaam,
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Posted: 22 January 2013 at 8:38pm

Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

Certainly and beyond that. This is according to the teaching of Muhammad that always one must have a detailed exposition of facts and proofs, evidences, signs etc.
You see Caringheart, the G-d of Abraham told Muhammad, "If you are in doubt of what has been revealed to you ask those who have the scripture (book) before you. Indeed the truth has come from your Lord and so do not be in doubt." There is certainly a way to live in harmony from the teaching of Muhammad, but most of you hate it.

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Posted: 23 January 2013 at 1:26pm

Did God turn his back on Islam?

Geneses 26:24, 25 says he did

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Posted: 24 January 2013 at 12:48pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

Kish,
....and that misinterpretation is ??
and what is this mistreatment of Isaac by Ishmael, from where do you get that?
Hasan

I can answer in part;

9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.

10 Wherefore
she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son
of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.

12 And
God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of
the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto
thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed. (the book of Genesis)

CAringheart and others,
read the last line, it does not tell anything like what you say that God turned his back, instead it says what it says, just read it loud. And this is for those of your who take Bible as pure word of God. At least believe that.
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 872	Posted: 19 January 2013 at 9:48pm
	Assalamu alaika Kish. As for the Israelites we know the meaning of the word and its history. As for the Palestinians I can say that it refers to that land probably called generally Canaan or the land east of the river Jordan. According to the methodology of arguing in the teaching of Muhammad, there cannot be problem between them because they are different entities. Kish, if only each and every one follows the course of his Messenger, there will be peace in the world. secondly, I asked the origin of the Palestinians in one of these threads, but I am yet to get an answer. Thirdly, there are many Palestinians with Jewish blood and Jews with Palestinian blood. Let us be wise and friendly! If you have read the Talmud, Torah and the explanations passed to us by the Rabbis, Isaac and Ishmael lived in Palestinian as mutual loving and hearty brothers. Friendship.
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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 872	Posted: 19 January 2013 at 10:17pm
	Assalamu alaika Kish. You said: Was Muhammad aware of an uncorrupted version of the Holy Scriptures when he was told to recite? Answer: At that instant he did not know. You said: If so, where and why didn’t this so call ‘angel Gabriel’ tell Muhammad to correct it? Answer: Muhammad did not know about the allegations of those who called themselves Christians until 9 years after his migration to Madina when he was visited by that folk from Najran. It was during their exchange of Scriptural texts that they rose the question of trinity. There and then chapter 3 was revealed. When he told them the true nature of Jesus son of Maryam, they did not disagree. They went back and after reflecting on the truth they rejected what was said but trinity You said: If so, why did Allah fail to preserve it as he promised he would? Answer: The greatest preservation is the failure of humanity to correct itself by using its own code of conduct. If you want to test that preservation, it was done between 623-632 A.C. If that way of life is repeated today, then you will be assured of that preservation. You said: Why didn’t Jesus 12 Apostles say they were corrupted, Answer: Were they alive during the time of Muhammad? You said: only modern Muslims? Answer: It was the Levi clan of the children of Israel in Madina who conferred the authenticity of the Qur'an (what Allah revealed to Muhammad). So they are the ones to be blamed. Answer: Also, there are over a dozen passages in the Quran that says to believe, read and follow the Gospel, how could you if it was corrupted? Answer: They are more than a dozen. The truth is 95% of the Qur'an is from previous Scriptures. Muhammad challenged the Levi clan in Madina to bring a Book from Allah better than the Talmud and the Qur'an in guidance and improving socio-economic conditions for him to follow. You said: Either way this brings on a serious, serious problem for Muslims not for Christians. Answer: I believe the opposite is the truth. The followers of Muhammad recognized those who called themselves Christians more than the Jews. Conflict began between the Jews and the Christians and never with the followers of Muhammad. You said: Besides, Muslims do not even have the original copies of the Qur'an let alone the original Qur'an. If anything, just word of mouth and you know how unreliable that is where as the Holy Scriptures have eye-witness testimonies of the event. Answer: So, it is you who knows and have the original copy of the Qur'an. Then bring it out and read it. It must contain guidance for mankind. If you follow it, you can will win Taliban and al-Qaeda. Deuteronomy 6:4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. Yehwah′ ’Elo·heh′nu Yehwah′ Holy Qur'an 2:163: And your Ilaah (God) is One Ilaah, La ilaaha Illa Huwa (there is none who has the right to be worshipped but he) the Most Gracious, the most Merciful. Friendship.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 21 January 2013 at 9:44am
	Greetings Friendship, "I asked the origin of the Palestinians in one of these threads, but I am yet to get an answer." I did a whole lot of reading and research on this a while back. I don't have time to pull out all that research now, but basically the Palestinians are the arabs who moved into the land around Jerusalem after the Jews were driven out and the land was left vacant... and those arabs who emigrated to the land after the return of the Jews, when the Jews rebuilt the land, and jobs became available. I am not speaking of the return of Jews after 1947, but prior. (I have changed computers so most of my research is on flash drive now and difficult to track down. i used to use two different computers) "Thirdly, there are many Palestinians with Jewish blood and Jews with Palestinian blood. Let us be wise and friendly!" Absolutely correct... all brothers. "If you have read the Talmud, Torah and the explanations passed to us by the Rabbis, Isaac and Ishmael lived in Palestinian as mutual loving and hearty brothers." Really, this is what the Rabbi's teach? Thanks for sharing. I have long wanted to delve into what is taught in Judaism. Salaam, Caringheart
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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 872	Posted: 22 January 2013 at 5:04am
	Assalamu alaika Caringheart. Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords. Friendship.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 22 January 2013 at 1:25pm
	*Originally posted by Friendship* Assalamu alaika Caringheart. Let us begin from Canaan to today. I do not want to speculate and cause unsheathing swords. Friendship. Hello Friendship, I am confused by your confusion... "from Canaan to today"? You mean from the time Moses led his people to the land of Canaan? That is what I was addressing. Salaam, Caringheart
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Friendship Senior Member Joined: 24 August 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 872	Posted: 22 January 2013 at 8:38pm
	Assalamu alaika Caringheart. Certainly and beyond that. This is according to the teaching of Muhammad that always one must have a detailed exposition of facts and proofs, evidences, signs etc. You see Caringheart, the G-d of Abraham told Muhammad, "If you are in doubt of what has been revealed to you ask those who have the scripture (book) before you. Indeed the truth has come from your Lord and so do not be in doubt." There is certainly a way to live in harmony from the teaching of Muhammad, but most of you hate it. Friendship
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Kish Guest Group Joined: 07 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237	Posted: 23 January 2013 at 1:26pm
	Did God turn his back on Islam? Geneses 26:24, 25 says he did
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 24 January 2013 at 12:48pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* Kish, ....and that misinterpretation is ?? and what is this mistreatment of Isaac by Ishmael, from where do you get that? Hasan I can answer in part; <span id="en-KJV-523" ="text Gen-21-9"><sup ="versenum">9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking.</span> <span id="en-KJV-524" ="text Gen-21-10"><sup ="versenum">10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.</span> <span id="en-KJV-525" ="text Gen-21-11"><sup ="versenum">11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son.</span> <span id="en-KJV-526" ="text Gen-21-12"><sup ="versenum">12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.</span> <span id="en-KJV-527" ="text Gen-21-13"><sup ="versenum">13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed. (the book of Genesis)</span> CAringheart and others, read the last line, it does not tell anything like what you say that God turned his back, instead it says what it says, just read it loud. And this is for those of your who take Bible as pure word of God. At least believe that. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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