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Ron Webb
Male Humanism Senior Member 
Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Online Posts: 1401 |
   Topic: At Your Service, Oh MohammadPosted: 17 September 2012 at 4:46pm |
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One Voice with Crowds, Sayyed Nasrallah: At Your Service, Oh Mohammad
... "O Messenger of Allah, my blood, family, wealth and everything I was given by God are sacrifices to your dignity, veneration and honor. Let the whole world hear these words, O Prophet, we die for you, my soul and my blood are at your service. Allah is a witness to what we say, the blood of our martyrs, the wounds of our injured, our demolished homes all witness, we will sacrifice everything for your sake O Prophet."
How can this not be shirk?
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Abu Loren
Male Islam Senior Member
Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568 |
Posted: 18 September 2012 at 11:30am |
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Originally posted by Ron Webb
One Voice with Crowds, Sayyed Nasrallah: At Your Service, Oh Mohammad
...For the whole world to hear, His eminence asked the crowd to repeat his words after him: "O Messenger of Allah, my blood, family, wealth and everything I was given by God are sacrifices to your dignity, veneration and honor. Let the whole world hear these words, O Prophet, we die for you, my soul and my blood are at your service. Allah is a witness to what we say, the blood of our martyrs, the wounds of our injured, our demolished homes all witness, we will sacrifice everything for your sake O Prophet."
How can this not be shirk?
Indeed it is shirk. There is a muslim sect known as the 'Sufi' who pray to saints, Mohammed (pbuh) and dead people. |
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honeto
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Posted: 19 September 2012 at 1:42pm |
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agreed,
Hasan |
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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nothing
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Joined: 09 November 2008 Location: Andorra Online Status: Offline Posts: 360 |
Posted: 20 September 2012 at 7:24pm |
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Those were just statement, not an action. Words by right is prelude of action. If this words considered Shirk therefore the people who have acted upon it too fall even greater. So it is up to the eye of the beholder.
In my opinion all of them, statements and actions are not Shirk per se just over zealous reaction. |
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Ghazzali
Islam Groupie 
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Posted: 24 September 2012 at 6:01pm |
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May peace be on the guided ones.
"Narrated By Abu Huraira : I said to the Prophet "May my parents be sacrificed for you!" (Bukhari vol.1, book 12, hadith 711) There are many hadiths like this where many sahabas (may Allah be pleased with them) uttered this statement. Firstly, it's a cultural thing among arabs. They make this statement to show respect to someone. Secondly, sacrificing life or family or wealth for Rasul Allah (pbuh) is ultimately sacrificing for Allah. It is Allah's command to be at Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 's service So, it is not shirk. Allah knows best. |
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The world is a dangerous place to live in, not because of the bad people, but because of the good people who does not do anything about it.
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Usmani
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Joined: 07 September 2006 Location: Pakistan Online Status: Offline Posts: 132 |
Posted: 25 September 2012 at 3:18am |
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Edited by Usmani - 25 September 2012 at 3:20am |
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Engage your self in good deeds,otherswise yours nafs will engage you in bad deeds
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Ron Webb
Male Humanism Senior Member
Joined: 30 January 2008 Online Status: Online Posts: 1401 |
Posted: 25 September 2012 at 4:41pm |
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Originally posted by nothing
Those were just statement, not an action. It was obviously a prayer, addressed to Muhammad. That's not shirk?
Originally posted by Ghazzali
"Narrated By Abu Huraira : I said to the Prophet "May my parents be sacrificed for you!" (Bukhari vol.1, book 12, hadith 711) There is a world of difference between sacrificing oneself (but not volunteering one's parents -- that is twisted!
Firstly, it's a cultural thing among arabs. They make this statement to show respect to someone.
You mean they are being insincere?
Secondly, sacrificing life or family or wealth for Rasul Allah (pbuh) is ultimately sacrificing for Allah.
Only if you see Muhammad as a partner to Allah. As I keep reminding Muslims, Muhammad (peace be upon him) is dead. He can no longer be offended, and does not need protection.
It is Allah's command to be at Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 's service So, it is not shirk.
While he was alive may have been true, but common sense should tell you that one cannot provide service to a dead man. |
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truthnowcome
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Posted: 25 September 2012 at 9:52pm |
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Mr. Ron Web, Br. Ghazzali is correct, attack on Muhammad (S) integrity is attack on Allah’s Deen (Islam) that is why Nasrullah says: “are for your [Muhammad (s)] dignity, veneration and honor”. He is defending Allah’s Deen (Islam) by scarifies every thing that Allah (S) give him to defend Muhammad’s (S) integrity and not Muhammad (S); they knew he is dead. The Prophet (S) said: “If you obey me you already Obey Allah (S)” In other words, he leave a message (Islam...God’s laws) to live by and in following it is following him because he was an exemplar of Islam; His wife describe him as the walking Qur’an. Nasrallah and others knew of the campaign the Masons are waging against Islam so that their call. TNC |
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LET'S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL...NO MORE LIES!
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) to protect the life of one's Prophet and commander, versus sacrficing oneself for someone already dead.
