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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 22 September 2012 at 8:40am
Assalamu alaika Matt.
 
There is no solution to our problem without establishing the caliph and caliphate. Its is not total theocracy, but rather the only way the world will enjoy stability and peace. This is not a theory for obeying G-d's rule in its totality is the emphasis in the Torah. G-d does not approve for injustice and tyranny. Imagine the incident during the battle of Ai. This is similar to what happened during the battle of Uhud. Allah has Right and His Right must be given to him. No one is usurp the right of his brother. In Islam every living thing has its right that must be given to it. This is what the shari'a is about.
Matt, a woman committted adultery during the time of the second Caliph Umar. On close examination he found her not to understood that specific injunction. He told her to repent and that her case is with Allah. He let her free. The property of a jew was stolen in madina. He came to Umar and  lodged complain that since he is unable to protect his property, he has to pay for the loss. Umar complied and compensated him.
Matt! The west is dealing with illiterate scholars and leaders! Look at the islamic adviser of Obama not saying anything about the illiteracy level and condemming the illiterate Muslim leaders. Are the lessons in Torah not enough? Do you want Moses and Jesus to come back and tell you what I am telling you?
 
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Quote semar Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2012 at 1:12am
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2012 at 10:31am
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Matt you sound angry, and have every right to be disturbed by what is taking place.  As a family man myself,  I was also extremely upset to see photos of our Ambassador dead in Libya, and the sadness his loved ones must have felt.  I just hope that you can empathize with the "other" who are suffering from political injustices brought about by our "right to freedom" in the west, that often times for economic and geopolitical endeavors, creates a great deal of anger, disenfranchisement and animosity among the cultural other in the world.


'Very concerned' might be a better description when reflecting current events. The violent reaction is nothing new. The Danish cartoons controversy in 2005 opened the eyes of many people in the West. I had always hoped that Samuel P. Huntington was wrong, but what we see is indeed a clash of civilizations: the Western civilization based on the Judeo-Christian tradition and the Islamic civilization. Freedom of expression and Sharia blasphemy laws are incompatible. Secular countries and caliphate-style countries are incompatible. And no one has a clue on how to deal with this in a globalized interconnected world.

Part of the Judeo-Christian tradition is being concerned about the welfare of every human being on planet Earth. People in the West don't divide people into an Ummah and the rest of people. We are human beings first and our concern encompasses all humans. This is why the Red Cross and Doctors without Borders and Greenpeace and Amnesty International and all the other hundreds of NGOs try to help people no matter where they live or whether they are polytheists or atheists or monotheists. You can see that we empathize with all people who are suffering from political injustices or as a result of natural disasters. Yes, there are greedy corporate exploiters who care about quarterly results and million dollar bonuses and they create a lot of damage in both the developed and less developed world. You will find these kind of people everywhere, not just in the West. Just take China and their geopolitical endeavors in Africa as an example. Or Saudi princes buying one Rolex after another instead of doing something about the poor people in their country.

But it is totally wrong blaming the West for all of the misery. A lot of it is home made. And the current mainstream Islam is part of the problem. It is the only religion that has serious conflicts with people from every other religion in the world. Every year more people become afraid of the Islam we see on television and read about in the newspaper. Secular Muslims in German become more and more afraid of the strict Islam funded by Saudi oil money. In fact, I am more and more convinced that Islam is the fastest shrinking religion in the world. For every new convert to Islam you will have 10 Muslims who secretly no longer support their religion because they are disgusted by the deeds of the 9/11 hijackers, the London bombers, the Beslan child killers, the Chechen terrorists, the Algerian terrorists, the Hamas terrorists, the Madrid terrorists, the Darfur killers, and many others.

And now, like in 2005, people get injured and killed because of a silly video. And the peaceful Muslims choose stay at home. The silent majority is too scared to openly say no to their violent brothers.

In 1992 a terrible hate crime shocked Germany and the world. Two Turkish immigrant families burned to death in their houses when neo-Nazis committed arson. Five more Turkish people were killed by neo-Nazis in 1993. In the aftermath several hundred thousand Germans organized demonstrations in all major cities against these heinous acts. My wife, my children and I were part of one demonstration, all holding one candle, like everyone else. It made news around the world.

If you want to save Islam from barbarism and if you want to change the perception of Islam in the West, something very big needs to happen, like a million Muslims demonstrating in numerous cities against violence committed in the name of Islam.

Posting statements like 'Islam is a religion of peace' in Internet forums won't help, because people find that harder and harder to believe. Now it's about walking the talk. The silent majority can't be silent anymore. Peaceful Muslims need to organize something very big to convince the rest of the world. All of this is entirely possible in the age of the Internet. The Egyptians who ended Mubarak's totalitarian regime are a good example. Saying no to violent Islam is a worthy cause as well. It can be done.



Edited by Matt Browne - 23 September 2012 at 10:40am
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2012 at 10:42am
Friendship, are the voters and elections in a caliphate? Can people change laws? What kind of political system are you talking about?

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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2012 at 12:55pm
Assalamu alaika Matt Browne.
 
There are four ways to select a caliph:
1. For the leader to choose one in his life and the populace to endorse it. Muhammad choose Abubakar and was endorsed in this mosque before he died.
2. For the leader to choose one in hislife and the populace to endorse it without the leader endorsing. Abubakar choose Umar but he did not lead Abubakar during prayers.
3. For the leader to appoint a committee to elect a leader from them. This was done by Umar.
The criteria are;
1. Education. In Islam it is the one with the most knowledge of the practice of Muhammad. Emperical education according to the teaching of the Bible is of secondary importance. I am referring here to the training bethelel and Oholiob received after the Exodus. Note that the Levis were the sole authorities in the reading of the Torah. However, according to my understanding of the Torah the messengers were from the Levi tribes.
2. Age. definitely the elders are supposed to be more knowledgeable in the Sunna.
3. Certainly, we must never forget one's integrity, behavior and acceptabce by the society. For example, Umar ibn Khattab disqualified his son from the caaliphate because he divorced his wife unintentionally. Yet, Umar considered it a crime.
The political system is that of equal opportunity based on knowledge. The problem posed by the Muslim world is due to accepting of illigetimacy and illiteracy, fear and prejudice.
 
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 23 September 2012 at 1:04pm
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I had always hoped that Samuel P. Huntington was wrong, but what we see is indeed a clash of civilizations: the Western civilization based on the Judeo-Christian tradition and the Islamic civilization.
 
But it is totally wrong blaming the West for all of the misery.
 
Matt, I think you're projecting your own cultural insecurities and ethnocentrism.  Islam during its dominance in Spain proved that it could work with Jews and Christians, and as a matter of fact both groups thrived during that period in history. Prior to the 1948 British mandate, Muslims and Jews lived peacefully together in Palestine and throughout the Middle East.  If simply asking you to set aside your apparent myopia just long enough to have empathy, elicits such a 'Henny-penny; the sky's a-going to fall - defensive response, that Muslim troubles and intransigences are so enormous, as if no historical record exists for Western civilization/Judeo-Christian, only proves your own personal intolerance and Islamophobia. Need I remind you of "Shock and Awe" in Iraq?  Does your hubris not allow for reflection?
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