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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 11:32am
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 3:51pm
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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 5:11pm
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Let me see if I can say it for you, abuayisha: Islam does not need to be reformed.

Of course, as an atheist I think that Islam should be discarded altogether, along with all the other ancient and modern superstitions.  Failing that, I have suggested before that the Quran-only interpretation of Islam (dropping the outdated hadith and sunnah, which IMHO Muhammad never intended to last forever) would enable it to join the twenty-first century.

But if the goal is simply to attain peace and harmony among cultures -- then no, Islam does not need to be reformed.

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... perhaps I shouldn't expect or be surprised at the "other" not having the care or willingness to partner with moderate - mainstream Muslims in isolating extremist.

I agree, what it does need is "isolating extremists".  However, that needs to start within Islam.  Don't expect non-Muslims to partner with you in that enterprise when we don't see the Muslims themselves engaging in it.  And don't expect us to look at a mob of a thousand Muslims causing mayhem at an embassy and believe that it consists of 900 "moderate - mainstream Muslims" rubbing shoulders with a 100 "isolated" extremists.  That's not isolation.  That's solidarity.

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 8:25pm
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[Of course, as an atheist I think that Islam should be discarded altogether,
 

This is simply hate speech parading as atheism, what a disservice to fellow atheist. 

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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 9:14pm
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[Of course, as an atheist I think that Islam should be discarded altogether,
 

This is simply hate speech parading as atheism, what a disservice to fellow atheist. 



Abuayisha,

It's not hate speech.  He believes all religion should be discarded.  It is his belief.  I don't see that there is any hate in it.  He just doesn't see any necessity for it.


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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 9:34pm

The comment has to be taken within the context of our discussion, therefore it's no more than bigotry hiding behind atheism.  What happened to the notion of pluralism?  Extremism, plain and simple is what it is.

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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 10:24pm
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The comment has to be taken within the context of our discussion, therefore it's no more than bigotry hiding behind atheism.  What happened to the notion of pluralism?  Extremism, plain and simple is what it is.



but he only expressed a personal opinion... not that he felt action needed to be taken.  He personally does not see the need for religion... does not believe in it... but he does not express to feel the need to rid the world of it either... just that that would be his preference.

This is called accepting people as they are.  He seems to be able to accept us as we are.  No bigotry... just personal opinion.  Bigotry would mean actively doing something about it.  Extremism would be killing to do something about it.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 18 September 2012 at 10:34pm
Are you familiar with this by chance;
Blasphemous Movie “jesus of nazareth” ?

This is how other people deal with these things;
http://www.cftvc.org/121/

Attacks are made on religion all the time.  It's not like we weren't told this would be so. Unhappy


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