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Mahdi The Seeke
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Posted: 03 September 2012 at 10:53pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

I'm pretty sure Christians know that they are not "Israelites" but they were "grafted in' to the family of God.
They do not need to be Israelites.
Do Muslims need to be Israelites to belong to God?
So I'm not really sure the point of the thread. ?

Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus.

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Posted: 05 September 2012 at 7:49pm

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus.

Isaiah 42
A covenant for 'the people'
A light for (all) the nations

I can also defer to Experiential:
"first to the Jews, later to the Gentiles"

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Posted: 06 September 2012 at 4:56am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke

Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus.

Isaiah 42
A covenant for 'the people'
A light for (all) the nations

I can also defer to Experiential:
"first to the Jews, later to the Gentiles"
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If Jesus says one thing and other people claim different, i have to take Jesus' word.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 7:21pm

I am deferring to experiential where he says;

"Read -

Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52."

Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to?

You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles.

Edited by Caringheart - 07 September 2012 at 7:22pm

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Posted: 08 September 2012 at 10:04am

Originally posted by Caringheart

I am deferring to experiential where he says;

"Read -

Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52."

Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to?

You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles.

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Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire.

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Posted: 08 September 2012 at 11:54am

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire.

Your latest conspiracy theory. Unhappy

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Posted: 08 September 2012 at 2:42pm

John 17
18 As thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I set myself apart, that they also might be set apart through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one:

23 I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved Me.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I have known Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent Me.

26 And I have declared unto them Thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved Me may be in them, and I in them. [Holy Spirit]

Edited by Caringheart - 08 September 2012 at 2:48pm

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Posted: 09 September 2012 at 3:16am

Originally posted by Abu Loren

Originally posted by Caringheart

I am deferring to experiential where he says;

"Read -

Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52."

Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to?

You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles.

[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" height="17" width="17" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />

Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire.

Abu Loren
Your facts are wrong. The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke, not Paul. Further more as I mentioned in my other post to you Paul was a Jew. Isa was a Jew. Isa's friends – Peter, James, Judas etc were Jews.
Paul and the other Injil authors lived at the time of Isa. Mohammad did not and did not understand the Jewish traditions. He lived more than 600 years after Isa, Paul and the others so Mohamads version is not reliable.
Further more Paul was executed by the Roman Empire you seem to think he was an agent for. So what you say dosn't make sense.
If you are worried about pagan religion I suggest you show more concern for the pagan rock you bow to every day and try to kiss why you do the Haj.

Edited by Experiential - 09 September 2012 at 3:20am

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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 03 September 2012 at 10:53pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* I'm pretty sure Christians know that they are not "Israelites" but they were "grafted in' to the family of God. They do not need to be Israelites. Do Muslims need to be Israelites to belong to God? So I'm not really sure the point of the thread. ? Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 7:49pm
	*Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* I'm pretty sure Christians know that they are not "Israelites" but they were "grafted in' to the family of God. They do not need to be Israelites. Do Muslims need to be Israelites to belong to God? So I'm not really sure the point of the thread. ? Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus. Isaiah 42 A covenant for 'the people' A light for (all) the nations I can also defer to Experiential: "first to the Jews, later to the Gentiles"
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Mahdi The Seeke Male Senior Member Joined: 28 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 253	Posted: 06 September 2012 at 4:56am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Mahdi The Seeke* *Originally posted by Caringheart* I'm pretty sure Christians know that they are not "Israelites" but they were "grafted in' to the family of God. They do not need to be Israelites. Do Muslims need to be Israelites to belong to God? So I'm not really sure the point of the thread. ? Jesus came for Israelites. Christians claim him for themselves. You do not see the point? Only israelites should be concerned with Jesus. Isaiah 42 A covenant for 'the people' A light for (all) the nations I can also defer to Experiential: "first to the Jews, later to the Gentiles" [IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="middle" /> If Jesus says one thing and other people claim different, i have to take Jesus' word.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 07 September 2012 at 7:21pm
	I am deferring to experiential where he says; "Read - Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52." Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to? You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles. Edited by Caringheart - 07 September 2012 at 7:22pm
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 08 September 2012 at 10:04am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* I am deferring to experiential where he says; "Read - Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52." Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to? You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles. [IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" height="17" width="17" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" /> Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 08 September 2012 at 11:54am
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire. Your latest conspiracy theory.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 08 September 2012 at 2:42pm
	John 17 18 As thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I set myself apart, that they also might be set apart through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one: 23 I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved Me. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I have known Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent Me. 26 And I have declared unto them Thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved Me may be in them, and I in them. [Holy Spirit] Edited by Caringheart - 08 September 2012 at 2:48pm
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 265	Posted: 09 September 2012 at 3:16am
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* *Originally posted by Caringheart* I am deferring to experiential where he says; "Read - Mt 10:18; 24:14; 28:18-20; Mk 13:10; 14:9; 16:15; Lk 4:25-30; 24:47; Jn 17:20-21: Acts 1:8. 20:28 = Mk 10:45; Jn 3:16; 4:42; 12:32, Mt 8:11-12; 21:43; 25:31-32; Lk 13:28-30; Jn 10:16; 11:52." Have you read any of what Jesus had to say of which he referred you to? You would also have to read the acts of the apostles to understand how the message of Jesus was taken to include the gentiles. [IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" height="17" width="17" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" /> Acts of the Apostles was written by Paul who started this Judo-Pagan new religion called Christianity. He has nothing to do with Jesus (pbuh) nor God. He is a liar and an agent for the Roman Empire. Abu Loren Your facts are wrong. The Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke, not Paul. Further more as I mentioned in my other post to you Paul was a Jew. Isa was a Jew. Isa's friends – Peter, James, Judas etc were Jews. Paul and the other Injil authors lived at the time of Isa. Mohammad did not and did not understand the Jewish traditions. He lived more than 600 years after Isa, Paul and the others so Mohamads version is not reliable. Further more Paul was executed by the Roman Empire you seem to think he was an agent for. So what you say dosn't make sense. If you are worried about pagan religion I suggest you show more concern for the pagan rock you bow to every day and try to kiss why you do the Haj. Edited by Experiential - 09 September 2012 at 3:20am
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