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Topic: But Do You Know God ?
Posted: 28 July 2012 at 9:42am

The question I pose to all seekers of God and truth is "Do we know God Himself?" I love God because Christ Jesus has brought me into contact with God on an intimate and personal (as well as corporate) basis. Through Christ I came to know God as a Person. For certain He is mysterious but He is also very practical.

Notice the question as about the availability of God Himself to man's knowing. It is not about how to DO many spiritual things. I do not ask about "Do you know how to fast?", or "Do you know how to pray so many times a day?", or "Do you know how to eat the right food ?".

These may be secondary issues to the real issue. First, I ask, does our faith bring us into contact with God Himself so that we can say that we know God. We do not just know ABOUT God. But do we know God ?

The main barrier between me and God has been brought down - my real record of real sins and my actual real guilt because of those sins. When I came to Christ that obstacle was removed. And God and Christ became available to me for intimate fellowship and communion.

Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ?

Edited by Jocko - 28 July 2012 at 9:43am

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Posted: 02 August 2012 at 5:07pm

God has never revealed Himself to mankind, God has always been outside of His creation although He has sent messengers to mankind so that they can live a life that is pleasing to Him.

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Posted: 03 August 2012 at 6:23pm

Originally posted by Jocko

Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ?

I know the God I found but he seems to be more moral than yours so I would like to compare morals with yours and we can perhaps determine which we think has the best ones.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Do you and your God agree with these main five principles of morality in the order given?

If not, would you like to offer your main five in the order of importance?

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Posted: 03 August 2012 at 7:36pm

Originally posted by Abu Loren

God has never revealed Himself to mankind, God has always been outside of His creation although He has sent messengers to mankind so that they can live a life that is pleasing to Him.

And we are just to swallow all that these men say even when it makes no sense and is not moral. Right?

I wonder if that is how Christians got roped into venerating human sacrifice. Something most usually think of as immoral.

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Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:18am

Originally posted by Jocko

Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ?

God Christ??????who is that ????i hope you know what byou talking about.

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Posted: 04 September 2012 at 4:11am

Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by Jocko

Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ?

I know the God I found but he seems to be more moral than yours so I would like to compare morals with yours and we can perhaps determine which we think has the best ones.

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

Do you and your God agree with these main five principles of morality in the order given?

If not, would you like to offer your main five in the order of importance?

Regards

Abu Loren and DL> I think thats the difference between Islam and Christianity. As a Muslim you live by rules and regulations. Does that satisfy you? As a Christian I live in relationship with a personal God everyday. A God who made himself availiable to us by becomming man. A man - the same Christ Mesiah as prophesied in the Jewish scriptures.He is accesible to you to have relationship with too rather than just living a religious formula. Living morally is not enough. He requires you to know him and to know you. Are your scales balanced towards salvation. How will you ever be sure?

Edited by Experiential - 04 September 2012 at 4:23am

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Posted: 05 September 2012 at 3:36am

Originally posted by Experiential

Abu Loren and DL> I think thats the difference between Islam and Christianity. As a Muslim you live by rules and regulations. Does that satisfy you? As a Christian I live in relationship with a personal God everyday. A God who made himself availiable to us by becomming man. A man - the same Christ Mesiah as prophesied in the Jewish scriptures.He is accesible to you to have relationship with too rather than just living a religious formula. Living morally is not enough. He requires you to know him and to know you. Are your scales balanced towards salvation. How will you ever be sure? [/QUOTE

As'alaamu Alaikkum

A true muslim who has submitted wholly to the will of God lives by His rules and regulations which He laid down for humanity. It is to be followed, the only reason for why it was revealed. We do not take what we like from them and we do not discard the things we do not like. A slave must obey his master fully otherwise it is disobedience.

Your rules and regulations as a Christian has been laid down by Saul of Tarsus. By the way, I do not believe that he saw a vision of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. I also do not believe in

As'alaamu Alaikkum

Your rules and regulations as a Christian has been laid down by Saul of Tarsus. By the way, I do not believe that he saw a vision of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. I also do not believe in his writings which are blasphemous and which created a new religion that set up rivals with the One True God.

As for the rest of your point you live with a personal relationship with Jesus (pbuh) who was merely a created being, a human being, created by God. You need to have a personal relationship with God not his messenger. There are no intercessors with God, every human being has the opportunity to have a personal relationship with the One True God and this is a Mercy that has been given to all of us. We can all by-pass Jesus (pbuh) and the 'saints' and have a one to one personal relationship with Him.

Sahih International

And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided. 2:186

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 5:21pm

As'alaamu Alaikkum

Hello Abu Loren

Your rules and regulations are a heavy burden and bondage to you. You are a slave to religious rules due to your ancestor being Hagar the slave woman. Followers of Isa are descendents of the free woman Sara and her son Isaac. We are not bound with religious rules but are led in our actions by the Spirit of God . We are friends of God. Free not slaves. Isa said-

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Mathew 11:28

This rest is also for you if you ask.

Isa was a Jew. Saul of Tarsus (Paul) was a Jew. Mohammad was not a Jew.

Isa’s friends – Peter, James, Judas etc were Jews. Saul knew all of Isas friends and they supported him.

The Injil was written by many authors, Saul was only one and his writings do not differ from the others.

Saul and the other Injil authors lived at the time of Isa. Mohammad did not live at this time. He lived 600 years after Isa, Saul and the others. Saul and the others are worth listening to.

Isa was the Messiah that the tanakh (Old Testament) prophesied about.

Isa called himself the Son of God. You as a created human being are also called a son of god in the Bible. We are all sons of God, including women. Son does not mean physical offspring of God like a daughter or son from a wife or consort. It is closer in meaning to ‘inheritor’ , or being from. It is a spiritual thing, not physical. Just the same as Egyptians are called "sons of the Nile." Or how the Qur'an refers to a traveler as a "son of the road". Is a similar thing. Isa was an aspect God in the flesh.

Don’t Muslims believe the Quran is divine? I find it easier to believe that a man would have the divine in him rather than a book being divine.

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Jocko Senior Member Joined: 11 September 2007 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 179	Topic: But Do You Know God ? Posted: 28 July 2012 at 9:42am
	The question I pose to all seekers of God and truth is "Do we know God Himself?" I love God because Christ Jesus has brought me into contact with God on an intimate and personal (as well as corporate) basis. Through Christ I came to know God as a Person. For certain He is mysterious but He is also very practical. Notice the question as about the availability of God Himself to man's knowing. It is not about how to DO many spiritual things. I do not ask about "Do you know how to fast?", or "Do you know how to pray so many times a day?", or "Do you know how to eat the right food ?". These may be secondary issues to the real issue. First, I ask, does our faith bring us into contact with God Himself so that we can say that we know God. We do not just know ABOUT God. But do we know God ? The main barrier between me and God has been brought down - my real record of real sins and my actual real guilt because of those sins. When I came to Christ that obstacle was removed. And God and Christ became available to me for intimate fellowship and communion. Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ? Edited by Jocko - 28 July 2012 at 9:43am
	I am a Christian Guest at this Moslem Forum - until otherwise informed. Hello!
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 02 August 2012 at 5:07pm
	God has never revealed Himself to mankind, God has always been outside of His creation although He has sent messengers to mankind so that they can live a life that is pleasing to Him.
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Greatest I am Guest Group Joined: 03 August 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 03 August 2012 at 6:23pm
	*Originally posted by Jocko* The question I pose to all seekers of God and truth is "Do we know God Himself?" I love God because Christ Jesus has brought me into contact with God on an intimate and personal (as well as corporate) basis. Through Christ I came to know God as a Person. For certain He is mysterious but He is also very practical. Notice the question as about the availability of God Himself to man's knowing. It is not about how to DO many spiritual things. I do not ask about "Do you know how to fast?", or "Do you know how to pray so many times a day?", or "Do you know how to eat the right food ?". These may be secondary issues to the real issue. First, I ask, does our faith bring us into contact with God Himself so that we can say that we know God. We do not just know ABOUT God. But do we know God ? The main barrier between me and God has been brought down - my real record of real sins and my actual real guilt because of those sins. When I came to Christ that obstacle was removed. And God and Christ became available to me for intimate fellowship and communion. Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ? I know the God I found but he seems to be more moral than yours so I would like to compare morals with yours and we can perhaps determine which we think has the best ones. http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/ Do you and your God agree with these main five principles of morality in the order given? If not, would you like to offer your main five in the order of importance? Regards DL
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Greatest I am Guest Group Joined: 03 August 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3	Posted: 03 August 2012 at 7:36pm
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* God has never revealed Himself to mankind, God has always been outside of His creation although He has sent messengers to mankind so that they can live a life that is pleasing to Him. And we are just to swallow all that these men say even when it makes no sense and is not moral. Right? I wonder if that is how Christians got roped into venerating human sacrifice. Something most usually think of as immoral. Regards DL
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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 05 August 2012 at 7:18am
	*Originally posted by Jocko* The question I pose to all seekers of God and truth is "Do we know God Himself?" I love God because Christ Jesus has brought me into contact with God on an intimate and personal (as well as corporate) basis. Through Christ I came to know God as a Person. For certain He is mysterious but He is also very practical. Notice the question as about the availability of God Himself to man's knowing. It is not about how to DO many spiritual things. I do not ask about "Do you know how to fast?", or "Do you know how to pray so many times a day?", or "Do you know how to eat the right food ?". These may be secondary issues to the real issue. First, I ask, does our faith bring us into contact with God Himself so that we can say that we know God. We do not just know ABOUT God. But do we know God ? The main barrier between me and God has been brought down - my real record of real sins and my actual real guilt because of those sins. When I came to Christ that obstacle was removed. And God and Christ became available to me for intimate fellowship and communion. Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ? God Christ??????who is that ????i hope you know what byou talking about.
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 266	Posted: 04 September 2012 at 4:11am
	*Originally posted by Greatest I am* *Originally posted by Jocko* The question I pose to all seekers of God and truth is "Do we know God Himself?" I love God because Christ Jesus has brought me into contact with God on an intimate and personal (as well as corporate) basis. Through Christ I came to know God as a Person. For certain He is mysterious but He is also very practical. Notice the question as about the availability of God Himself to man's knowing. It is not about how to DO many spiritual things. I do not ask about "Do you know how to fast?", or "Do you know how to pray so many times a day?", or "Do you know how to eat the right food ?". These may be secondary issues to the real issue. First, I ask, does our faith bring us into contact with God Himself so that we can say that we know God. We do not just know ABOUT God. But do we know God ? The main barrier between me and God has been brought down - my real record of real sins and my actual real guilt because of those sins. When I came to Christ that obstacle was removed. And God and Christ became available to me for intimate fellowship and communion. Do you know God ? Can you say that you know fellowship with God or do you only say you know many things about God ? I know the God I found but he seems to be more moral than yours so I would like to compare morals with yours and we can perhaps determine which we think has the best ones. http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/ Do you and your God agree with these main five principles of morality in the order given? If not, would you like to offer your main five in the order of importance? Regards DL Abu Loren and DL> I think thats the difference between Islam and Christianity. As a Muslim you live by rules and regulations. Does that satisfy you? As a Christian I live in relationship with a personal God everyday. A God who made himself availiable to us by becomming man. A man - the same Christ Mesiah as prophesied in the Jewish scriptures.He is accesible to you to have relationship with too rather than just living a religious formula. Living morally is not enough. He requires you to know him and to know you. Are your scales balanced towards salvation. How will you ever be sure? Edited by Experiential - 04 September 2012 at 4:23am
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 05 September 2012 at 3:36am
	Originally posted by Experiential Abu Loren and DL> I think thats the difference between Islam and Christianity. As a Muslim you live by rules and regulations. Does that satisfy you? As a Christian I live in relationship with a personal God everyday. A God who made himself availiable to us by becomming man. A man - the same Christ Mesiah as prophesied in the Jewish scriptures.He is accesible to you to have relationship with too rather than just living a religious formula. Living morally is not enough. He requires you to know him and to know you. Are your scales balanced towards salvation. How will you ever be sure? [/QUOTE As'alaamu Alaikkum A true muslim who has submitted wholly to the will of God lives by His rules and regulations which He laid down for humanity. It is to be followed, the only reason for why it was revealed. We do not take what we like from them and we do not discard the things we do not like. A slave must obey his master fully otherwise it is disobedience. Your rules and regulations as a Christian has been laid down by Saul of Tarsus. By the way, I do not believe that he saw a vision of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. I also do not believe in As'alaamu Alaikkum A true muslim who has submitted wholly to the will of God lives by His rules and regulations which He laid down for humanity. It is to be followed, the only reason for why it was revealed. We do not take what we like from them and we do not discard the things we do not like. A slave must obey his master fully otherwise it is disobedience. Your rules and regulations as a Christian has been laid down by Saul of Tarsus. By the way, I do not believe that he saw a vision of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. I also do not believe in his writings which are blasphemous and which created a new religion that set up rivals with the One True God. As for the rest of your point you live with a personal relationship with Jesus (pbuh) who was merely a created being, a human being, created by God. You need to have a personal relationship with God not his messenger. There are no intercessors with God, every human being has the opportunity to have a personal relationship with the One True God and this is a Mercy that has been given to all of us. We can all by-pass Jesus (pbuh) and the 'saints' and have a one to one personal relationship with Him. Sahih International And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided. 2:186
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Experiential Senior Member Joined: 23 November 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 266	Posted: 07 September 2012 at 5:21pm
	As'alaamu Alaikkum Hello Abu Loren Your rules and regulations are a heavy burden and bondage to you. You are a slave to religious rules due to your ancestor being Hagar the slave woman. Followers of Isa are descendents of the free woman Sara and her son Isaac. We are not bound with religious rules but are led in our actions by the Spirit of God . We are friends of God. Free not slaves. Isa said- "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Mathew 11:28 This rest is also for you if you ask. Isa was a Jew. Saul of Tarsus (Paul) was a Jew. Mohammad was not a Jew. Isa’s friends – Peter, James, Judas etc were Jews. Saul knew all of Isas friends and they supported him. The Injil was written by many authors, Saul was only one and his writings do not differ from the others. Saul and the other Injil authors lived at the time of Isa. Mohammad did not live at this time. He lived 600 years after Isa, Saul and the others. Saul and the others are worth listening to. Isa was the Messiah that the tanakh (Old Testament) prophesied about. Isa called himself the Son of God. You as a created human being are also called a son of god in the Bible. We are all sons of God, including women. Son does not mean physical offspring of God like a daughter or son from a wife or consort. It is closer in meaning to ‘inheritor’ , or being from. It is a spiritual thing, not physical. Just the same as Egyptians are called "sons of the Nile." Or how the Qur'an refers to a traveler as a "son of the road". Is a similar thing. Isa was an aspect God in the flesh. Don’t Muslims believe the Quran is divine? I find it easier to believe that a man would have the divine in him rather than a book being divine.
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