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Quote Ron Webb Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2012 at 6:17pm

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It seems I remember Muhammad speaking about fighting oppression wherever you find it.  And yet, where do you find the most oppression?

In Islamic States, by far.  I'm not sure what your point is, but most western secular democracies enjoy much more freedom of religion than Muslim theocracies, even for Muslims themselves.


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On the other hand the system by which muslims govern their affairs has to be according to Islam.

Sunni or Shia?  Do Sunnis get to impose their religious dogma on Shias, or vice versa?

Individuals should vote for the kind of government that best reflects their personal beliefs, which in a Muslim-majority country would naturally result in an especially Muslim-friendly nation.  But they should leave as much room as possible for minority beliefs to live according to their own conscience.   The only legitimate purpose of government is to ensure civil order, not to impose its religious dogma on individuals.  That would not be Islamic, among other things.

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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 17 August 2012 at 1:45pm
Morsi & Mubarak: Spot the difference - Same Kufr, New Face

Further proof of the great deception of the Arab Spring in which America is replacing its old servants with new ones posing as Islamist, yet swearing to up hold the same secular constitution law and Republican system.

Becomes difficult for those who are trying to hide the sun in the middle of the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZVZo...layer_embedded
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 17 August 2012 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by abujamal

Morsi & Mubarak: Spot the difference - Same Kufr, New Face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZVZo...layer_embedded
 
Where is the deception and kufr? Is it because in taking the oath of office he has affirmed to uphold and preserve the Republican order? How do you find this in contradiction to Islamic principles? Republicanism is simply the rule by a head of state, which is certainly not un-Islamic, or worse, kufr. What am I missing here?
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Quote abujamal Replybullet Posted: 17 August 2012 at 7:59pm
Mursi taking the Same Oath to uphold the same kufr constitution of a State built on the same kufr premise as of Mubarak which shows nothing's changed.

Alhamdulillah, Muslims are not that declined to not see through this despite America's efforts to sell their new agents to the muslims.


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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 18 August 2012 at 12:06am

Which aspects or articles of the constitution in your estimation call to disbelief?  Keep in mind that in matters of worship everything is forbidden except what is allowed by textual evidence, and in worldly affairs everything is permissible but what has been clearly forbidden.  Therefore, what specific article in the Egyptian constitution is forbidden, and please support your answer with textual evidence?  The danger in your rhetoric is that if one upholds a "kufr constitution" he should be opposed, and opposition leads to fitna in the land.

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Quote sultanmuradII Replybullet Posted: 29 August 2012 at 6:43am
Salam,

This is a false principle that in "worldly affairs" everything is permissible unless clearly forbidden, misunderstood by some people from the principle that objects (material things) have all been created for us to use except the few that have been expressly forbidden.

In fact even the categorisation between between what is worships and what is 'transactions between people' was done by jurists to highlight different areas and some broken down further categories like morals, foods stuffs, social/family rules, but all actions fall under 5 rules from reward and punishment perspective:

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We can not presume that any rule is originally permissible, as every action will be accounted on the day of judgement, how ever minute.

"and whoever does an atoms weight of bad will see it" 99:8

For example we are shown the details of marriage, and can not assume everything is permissible unless clearly forbidden, rather we seek the guidance in every matter because Islam guided in all matters even if it made many matters permissible.

Thus in matters of governments also we have guidance, rules and the best of example in what the Messenger (saw) brought.

The Egyptian constitution is a nationalistic constitution giving ultimate sovereignty to the people of Egypt to decide the laws, and not to Allah (swt) and this contradicts Islam.
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Quote i.dawa Replybullet Posted: 07 September 2012 at 10:21am
Egypt is not a religious state but a civil (secular) one says Morsy.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/egypt-not-religious-state-morsy-tells-students

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 07 September 2012 at 4:10pm
I don't think Morsy views "civil" and "secular" as synonymous as suggested above, however civil in terms of power shifting from the army to elected leaders through a civil process.  There is little doubt that religion will have representation in Egyptian society.  But don't expect Egypt to follow the same path as Sudan, Iran and Afghanistan in making unsustainable and unwise declarations.
 
 
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