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Caringheart
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Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311 |
![]() Posted: 31 July 2012 at 5:41pm |
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Originally posted by Abu Loren
Originally posted by Caringheart [QUOTE=Abu Loren] [QUOTE=Caringheart] Thanks for the insults. Regardless of the fact that I am reading the Qur'an, you accuse and insult me of otherwise. It is in reading the Qura'an and studying Islam that my questions arise. And no, I find few who actually discuss the Qur'an or Muhammad. They are much more engaged in saying what they do not believe than what they do believe. Your idea of telling me about your faith disallows asking questions about your faith. Your answers always lie in denying the faith of others not in speaking of your own. Unless that is your own... is your entire faith based upon the denial of others? I have always, in spite of our difference of viewpoint, been respectful of you and what you believe. I do not accuse and insult you when you question what the Bible says. This is what I mean by equal and open engagement. What is allowed one way must be allowed both ways for communication to have any worth. I would have to have a better computer, and more time on my hands, to take a look back at our conversations to show that you speak little about your own faith and that the basis of your discussion is to speak against others. I myself have always been open to questions. I am seeking the same. Learning can not take place otherwise. I have several questions that I asked that were deleted, or not allowed, on this fourm. Simple questions about faith practice. Salaam, Caringheart I am not insulting you. You constantly say things like the Holy Qur'an is made up by Muhammed (pbuh) and that Muslims do not know their religion and are following Islam blindly. You have questioned your own faith and it is obvious that you are not sure if God really exists. Please don't make me laugh... unless it can be a genuine laugh instead of a sardonic one. To say I do not believe in God... You have insulted me by trying to tell me what I do and do not study. Have I accused or insulted you when you question the Bible? Yes, I share my opinions of what I have learned about Islam, that is how you seek to learn more about others and deeper understanding of your own faith, by sharing your opinion and allowing others to share theirs. It is important that we see how others see us, and to consider the reasons they see us the way they do. This is called growth. |
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Caringheart
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![]() Posted: 01 August 2012 at 7:07pm |
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Greetings Hasan,
Are you willing to answer my questions then, for me? Do Muslims baptize? and, Does the Qur'an teach anything about pride? I would be most appreciative of this dialogue. Thanks, Caringheart ![]() |
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flyffdzd
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![]() Posted: 03 August 2012 at 2:23am |
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I have always, in spite of our difference of viewpoint, been respectful of you and what you believe.
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Everything is good!
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iec786
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![]() Posted: 03 August 2012 at 10:07am |
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Originally posted by Caringheart
Greetings Hasan,Are you willing to answer my questions then, for me?Do Muslims baptize?and,Does the Qur'an teach anything about pride?I would be most appreciative of this dialogue.Thanks,Caringheart [IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" /> Do Muslims baptize? NO. Does the Qur'an teach anything about pride? http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?searchword=PRIDE&x=6&y=13&option=com_search&Itemid=610 |
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honeto
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![]() Posted: 06 August 2012 at 1:17pm |
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Caringheart,
Baptism as it is known to Christians is new to a Muslim like myself. So it will be fair to first understand the term and then answer it. I took this brief description of what you probably mean when you use the term "Baptism" and if the Muslims do the same. Let us look at it: "Christian denominations differ widely on their teachings about baptism. Some believe baptism accomplishes the washing away of sin. Others consider baptism a form of exorcism from evil spirits. Still others teach that baptism is an important step of obedience in the believer’s life, yet only an acknowledgment of the salvation experience already accomplished - baptism itself has no power to cleanse or save from sin. The following takes a look at the latter perspective called "Believer's Baptism:" Answer: A general definition for the word baptism is “a rite of washing with water as a sign of religious purification and consecration.” This rite was practiced frequently in the Old Testament. It signified purity or cleansing from sin and devotion to God. Since baptism was first instituted in the Old Testament many have practiced it as a tradition yet have not fully understood its significance and meaning." If you would like to add anything missing here, please go ahead. Based on what I read above of baptism, no. We Muslims do not have a physical activity described above. There are some practices in Muslims that you might think serve a similar purpose though. For example, when a baby is born to Muslim parents, Adhan(the call for prayer)is called. So the first words he/she hears at birth is the call to worship Allah, the Creator of all. Here are the words of Adhan: Recital Arabic Transliteration Translation 4x الله أكبر Allahu Akbar God3 is [the] great 2x أشهد أن لا اله إلا الله Ash-hadu an-la ilaha illa llah I bear witness that there is no deity except God. 2x أشهد أن محمدا رسول الله Ash-hadu anna Muħammadan-Rasulullah I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God. 2x حي على الصلاة Hayya 'ala s-salah Come to prayer ('salat'). 2x حي على الفلاح Hayya 'ala 'l-falah Come to success. 2x الله أكبر Allāhu akbar God is greatest. 1x لا إله إلا الله La ilaha illa-Allah There is no deity except God. By the age of responsibility, a Muslim must have the knowledge of his/her responsibilities and obligations toward his maker, Allah Almighty and toward what is Created. The Shahadah, or declaration of faith is the first pillar of Islam. Shahadah professed by a Muslim often, and a Muslim's life should reflect it through action, living by God's Will. Here is how Shahadah is said: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله (lā ʾilāha ʾillà l-Lāh, Muḥammadun rasūlu l-Lāh) (in Arabic) There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God. (in English) About Pride: Pride is against Islamic teachings and must be rejected by its followers. There are many stories and verses in Quran that have a lesson against pride and arrogance. 11:10Yusuf Ali "But if We give him a taste of (Our) favours after adversity hath touched him, he is sure to say, "All evil has departed from me:" Behold! he falls into exultation and pride". 31:18 "Yusuf Ali "And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster." 32:15 "Yusuf Ali Only those believe in Our Signs, who, when they are recited to them, fall down in prostration, and celebrate the praises of their Lord, nor are they (ever) puffed up with pride". I hope this answers your questions. Hasan Edited by honeto - 06 August 2012 at 1:23pm |
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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