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Caringheart
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![]() Topic: Is it possiblePosted: 24 July 2012 at 7:20pm |
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I would like to be more engaged with Muslims who could share and speak of what the Qur'an has to say. It seems it is not permissible for me to ask questions about the faith or the Qur'an to be engaged in learning. It seems to be more necessary to attack other faith than to share the Muslim faith. I would like to know more of what the Muslim believes in and less of what he does not believe in.
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Abu Loren
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Originally posted by Caringheart
I would like to be more engaged with Muslims who could share and speak of what the Qur'an has to say. It seems it is not permissible for me to ask questions about the faith or the Qur'an to be engaged in learning. It seems to be more necessary to attack other faith than to share the Muslim faith. I would like to know more of what the Muslim believes in and less of what he does not believe in. Can we talk about the Muslim faith? To be honest we have been trying to tell you of our faith but you would not be able to understand because you do not have guidance. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala likens these people to cattle, they are deaf, dumb and blind because they do not have knowledge and wisdom. You personally lack faith as you constantly state here that the Holy Qur'an is the words of prophet Muhammed (pbuh) alone. Also you have not read the Holy Qur'an fully therefore it is pointless trying to make you understand. You will only know the beauty that is contained wthin the Holy Qur'an if you sincerely believe that they are the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and not man made.
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Caringheart
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Originally posted by Abu Loren
Originally posted by Caringheart I would like to be more engaged with Muslims who could share and speak of what the Qur'an has to say. It seems it is not permissible for me to ask questions about the faith or the Qur'an to be engaged in learning. It seems to be more necessary to attack other faith than to share the Muslim faith. I would like to know more of what the Muslim believes in and less of what he does not believe in. Can we talk about the Muslim faith? To be honest we have been trying to tell you of our faith but you would not be able to understand because you do not have guidance. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala likens these people to cattle, they are deaf, dumb and blind because they do not have knowledge and wisdom. You personally lack faith as you constantly state here that the Holy Qur'an is the words of prophet Muhammed (pbuh) alone. Also you have not read the Holy Qur'an fully therefore it is pointless trying to make you understand. You will only know the beauty that is contained wthin the Holy Qur'an if you sincerely believe that they are the words of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala and not man made.
Thanks for the insults. Regardless of the fact that I am reading the Qur'an, you accuse and insult me of otherwise. It is in reading the Qura'an and studying Islam that my questions arise. And no, I find few who actually discuss the Qur'an or Muhammad. They are much more engaged in saying what they do not believe than what they do believe. Your idea of telling me about your faith disallows asking questions about your faith. Your answers always lie in denying the faith of others not in speaking of your own. Unless that is your own... is your entire faith based upon the denial of others? I have always, in spite of our difference of viewpoint, been respectful of you and what you believe. I do not accuse and insult you when you question what the Bible says. This is what I mean by equal and open engagement. What is allowed one way must be allowed both ways for communication to have any worth. I would have to have a better computer, and more time on my hands, to take a look back at our conversations to show that you speak little about your own faith and that the basis of your discussion is to speak against others. I myself have always been open to questions. I am seeking the same. Learning can not take place otherwise. I have several questions that I asked that were deleted, or not allowed, on this fourm. Simple questions about faith practice. Salaam, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 27 July 2012 at 2:41pm |
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Caringheart
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![]() Posted: 27 July 2012 at 2:36pm |
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@Abu Loren - afterthought...
Qur'an - Have you read it? |
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honeto
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![]() Posted: 27 July 2012 at 6:09pm |
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Caringheart,
Islamicity has a great deal of information about Islam and Muslims. Here at the forum we try to answer any questions you might have after reading that information. In my experience sometimes people come here (to the forum) with the intention of preaching instead of learning. Preaching something without making sense and proof rather contradicting their own belief. On top of that it seems that when they cannot do (preach)that successfully, frustration follows and some posts that are irrelevant and distracting, away from the truth. Hasan |
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart
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Originally posted by honeto Caringheart, Islamicity has a great deal of information about Islam and Muslims. Here at the forum we try to answer any questions you might have after reading that information. In my experience sometimes people come here (to the forum) with the intention of preaching instead of learning. Preaching something without making sense and proof rather contradicting their own belief. On top of that it seems that when they cannot do (preach)that successfully, frustration follows and some posts that are irrelevant and distracting, away from the truth. Hasan Is asking if Muslims baptize distracting or away from the truth? Or asking if the Qur'an teaches anything about pride? I really do seek to know more of what Muslim practices and teaching include. Yes I do want to do that in comparison to other religions, but is that wrong to want to do? This began as a journey of faith seeking. This began as a journey of faith seeking... asking hard questions about Jesus... about the Catholic church... it began when I 'met' a Muslim on line who all he did was attack Jews, Christians and Americans... and I responded to him asking questions in love. This was what I asked him in response to something he had written(which I no longer have) "I wish to ask a question. How does Islam see the resolution of the world's problems? What does the Kuran say? For the Bible is clear... that were it not for the return of God(in the form of His son, Jesus) the world will destroy itself. The Bible is very clear that man cannot solve his own problems because of the nature of sin in the world. It is very clear on the fact that the battle is between satan and God, good and evil, not man against man, but rather satan who is trying to destroy God's creation, and the Creator Himself. Does the Kuran not see the terrible time of the end coming?(You will see I have com a long way since then. I now spell Qur'an and Muhammad correctly. )What I found, through many conversations over the course of 2 months time, was that there was no getting beyond this wall of hate and I began to really consider whether Islam really taught hate and if all Muslims were this way. (He was from Nigeria) It made me sad to think so because there is no happiness, or future, in hating people... in not recognizing that there is good is all peoples of all groups. I saw where this kind of thinking could only lead to wars and that is what we must work against. I decided to seek other Muslims... to see if Islam was really a religion of deception leading many into hatred and error. From those beginnings my journey has blossomed and I am learning more every day. The more people I talk to the more I learn. Edited by Caringheart - 27 July 2012 at 7:51pm |
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Abu Loren
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Originally posted by Caringheart
[QUOTE=Abu Loren] [QUOTE=Caringheart] Thanks for the insults. Regardless of the fact that I am reading the Qur'an, you accuse and insult me of otherwise. It is in reading the Qura'an and studying Islam that my questions arise. And no, I find few who actually discuss the Qur'an or Muhammad. They are much more engaged in saying what they do not believe than what they do believe. Your idea of telling me about your faith disallows asking questions about your faith. Your answers always lie in denying the faith of others not in speaking of your own. Unless that is your own... is your entire faith based upon the denial of others? I have always, in spite of our difference of viewpoint, been respectful of you and what you believe. I do not accuse and insult you when you question what the Bible says. This is what I mean by equal and open engagement. What is allowed one way must be allowed both ways for communication to have any worth. I would have to have a better computer, and more time on my hands, to take a look back at our conversations to show that you speak little about your own faith and that the basis of your discussion is to speak against others. I myself have always been open to questions. I am seeking the same. Learning can not take place otherwise. I have several questions that I asked that were deleted, or not allowed, on this fourm. Simple questions about faith practice. Salaam, Caringheart I am not insulting you. You constantly say things like the Holy Qur'an is made up by Muhammed (pbuh) and that Muslims do not know their religion and are following Islam blindly. You have questioned your own faith and it is obvious that you are not sure if God really exists.
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honeto
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Originally posted by Caringheart
Originally posted by honeto Is asking if Muslims baptize distracting or away from the truth?Or asking if the Qur'an teaches anything about pride?I really do seek to know more of what Muslim practices and teaching include.Yes I do want to do that in comparison to other religions, but is that wrong to want to do?This began as a journey of faith seeking.This began as a journey of faith seeking... asking hard questions about Jesus... about the Catholic church... it began when I 'met' a Muslim on line who all he did was attack Jews, Christians and Americans... and I responded to him asking questions in love. This was what I asked him in response to something he had written(which I no longer have)Caringheart, Islamicity has a great deal of information about Islam and Muslims. Here at the forum we try to answer any questions you might have after reading that information. In my experience sometimes people come here (to the forum) with the intention of preaching instead of learning. Preaching something without making sense and proof rather contradicting their own belief. On top of that it seems that when they cannot do (preach)that successfully, frustration follows and some posts that are irrelevant and distracting, away from the truth. Hasan "I wish to ask a question. How does Islam see the resolution of the world's problems? What does the Kuran say? For the Bible is clear... that were it not for the return of God(in the form of His son, Jesus) the world will destroy itself. The Bible is very clear that man cannot solve his own problems because of the nature of sin in the world. It is very clear on the fact that the battle is between satan and God, good and evil, not man against man, but rather satan who is trying to destroy God's creation, and the Creator Himself. Does the Kuran not see the terrible time of the end coming? Also, I want to share, that it was the encounter of Paul, on the road to Damascus, and his transformation, which, to me, is the most compelling evidence of the truth of Jesus, and our God. Who is there, except Muhammed himself, to back up the witness of Muhammed? Even when God appeared to Moses, there were all the people of Israel and Egypt, and Pharoah himself, to witness that Moses truly had God with him."(You will see I have com a long way since then. I now spell Qur'an and Muhammad correctly. [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />)What I found, through many conversations over the course of 2 months time, was that there was no getting beyond this wall of hate and I began to really consider whether Islam really taught hate and if all Muslims were this way. (He was from Nigeria) It made me sad to think so because there is no happiness, or future, in hating people... in not recognizing that there is good is all peoples of all groups. I saw where this kind of thinking could only lead to wars and that is what we must work against. I decided to seek other Muslims... to see if Islam was really a religion of deception leading many into hatred and error. From those beginnings my journey has blossomed and I am learning more every day. The more people I talk to the more I learn. Caringheart, absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions and being around this forum I see that you do, and do get answers. Comparing, absolutely I would love to do that. let us start on that. As far as you mention hatred, it is bad, it is not allowed in Islam. The only one we are supposed to hate is Satan, and the deeds that he like us to do. Hasan |
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