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Posted: 20 July 2012 at 11:21pm

Assalamu Alaikum,

When Muslims present information as being scientific, why don't they provide sources?

Providing sources not only allows for cross checking of quotations, it also to a slight degree inhibits the promulgation of pseudoscience since people making a claim from an authentically scientific article risk exposure if people read the sources and find the alleged facts to be contrary to the original article.

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Posted: 22 July 2012 at 8:56am

Sometimes, they do, Daniel. A good example is Maurice Bucaille. But unfortunately he was a medical doctor and knew little about cosmology. He only used the Quran as his source.

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:47pm

Originally posted by danieldemol

Assalamu Alaikum,

When Muslims present information as being scientific, why don't they provide sources?

Some do some don't. And few times those evidences presented was questionable too.

I came across few Harun Yahya's scientific books and videos, maybe you like to verify them yourself, than let us know what you think about them.

Salaam.

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 5:23pm

It would take a lot of time to read a lot of books.

Given that the entire Muslim world produces only one per cent of global scientific output1, if one is desiring to read a number of books on science, chances are their time would be more wisely spent reading literature produced by non-Muslim universities than reading works produced by Muslim scholars who generally do more to fetter independant investigation of reality than they do to help it.

Having said that, if you select whichever one "scientific" book of Harun Yahya's you consider most important I'm happy to give it a read. I'm not narrow minded, but even open minded people have to spend their time wisely.

1 http://muslimvillage.com/2012/05/17/23122/a-new-era-of-science-dawns-on-the-gulf

Edited by danieldemol - 24 July 2012 at 5:24pm

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Posted: 26 July 2012 at 11:25pm

Originally posted by nothing

...I came across few Harun Yahya's scientific books and videos, maybe you like to verify them yourself, than let us know what you think about them.Salaam.

Salaam,

In the absence of a specific suggestion, I went through the book list at www.harunyahya.com It so happened that the first book on the list dealing with science was, "Uncle Darwin, We Haven't Changed", you can view it or download it here;

www.harunyahya.com/en/works/47831/Uncle-Darwin--We-Havent-Changed

Although it's target audience is clearly children, it nontheless eloquently and clearly explains the gist of the anti-evolutionist argument in simple terms free of jargon. It is a beautifully (read stunningly) presented book and Harun Yahya deserves credit for bringing together the artisitic genius of those who illustrated it.

What he doesn't deserve credit for, is presenting either a scientificly sound, or a theologically sound argument against evolution. It contains a substantial portion of demonstrably unsound material.

Would you be interested in discussing the book either here or by personal message or email?

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danieldemol Male Other Newbie Joined: 15 July 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Topic: Citation needed Posted: 20 July 2012 at 11:21pm
	Assalamu Alaikum, When Muslims present information as being scientific, why don't they provide sources? Providing sources not only allows for cross checking of quotations, it also to a slight degree inhibits the promulgation of pseudoscience since people making a claim from an authentically scientific article risk exposure if people read the sources and find the alleged facts to be contrary to the original article. Kind regards, ~Dan
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 22 July 2012 at 8:56am
	Sometimes, they do, Daniel. A good example is Maurice Bucaille. But unfortunately he was a medical doctor and knew little about cosmology. He only used the Quran as his source.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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nothing Senior Member Joined: 09 November 2008 Location: Andorra Online Status: Offline Posts: 360	Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:47pm
	*Originally posted by danieldemol* Assalamu Alaikum, When Muslims present information as being scientific, why don't they provide sources? Some do some don't. And few times those evidences presented was questionable too. I came across few Harun Yahya's scientific books and videos, maybe you like to verify them yourself, than let us know what you think about them. Salaam.
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danieldemol Male Other Newbie Joined: 15 July 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Posted: 24 July 2012 at 5:23pm
	It would take a lot of time to read a lot of books. Given that the entire Muslim world produces only one per cent of global scientific output1, if one is desiring to read a number of books on science, chances are their time would be more wisely spent reading literature produced by non-Muslim universities than reading works produced by Muslim scholars who generally do more to fetter independant investigation of reality than they do to help it. Having said that, if you select whichever one "scientific" book of Harun Yahya's you consider most important I'm happy to give it a read. I'm not narrow minded, but even open minded people have to spend their time wisely. 1 http://muslimvillage.com/2012/05/17/23122/a-new-era-of-science-dawns-on-the-gulf Edited by danieldemol - 24 July 2012 at 5:24pm
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danieldemol Male Other Newbie Joined: 15 July 2012 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Posted: 26 July 2012 at 11:25pm
	*Originally posted by nothing* ...I came across few Harun Yahya's scientific books and videos, maybe you like to verify them yourself, than let us know what you think about them.Salaam. Salaam, In the absence of a specific suggestion, I went through the book list at www.harunyahya.com It so happened that the first book on the list dealing with science was, "Uncle Darwin, We Haven't Changed", you can view it or download it here; www.harunyahya.com/en/works/47831/Uncle-Darwin--We-Havent-Changed Although it's target audience is clearly children, it nontheless eloquently and clearly explains the gist of the anti-evolutionist argument in simple terms free of jargon. It is a beautifully (read stunningly) presented book and Harun Yahya deserves credit for bringing together the artisitic genius of those who illustrated it. What he doesn't deserve credit for, is presenting either a scientificly sound, or a theologically sound argument against evolution. It contains a substantial portion of demonstrably unsound material. Would you be interested in discussing the book either here or by personal message or email?
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