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Posted: 09 October 2012 at 8:57pm

@Abu Loren,
One could say that Muhammad was sexist.
If he spoke for God, then I guess that would make God sexist. God who created Adam and Eve, naked in the garden. *scratches head
It was sin that made Adam and Eve cover themselves. Did God tell them to do this?

Now I am not saying that I am against modesty. I am against anything that might tempt one to sin... to lust... as God did address in the ten commandments. But I do not think God prescribed a dress code other than covering of the head, or hair, so as not to tempt the nephilim... but not to cover the face erasing all identity.

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Posted: 10 October 2012 at 2:48am

Originally posted by Caringheart

@Abu Loren,One could say that Muhammad was sexist. If he spoke for God, then I guess that would make God sexist. God who created Adam and Eve, naked in the garden. *scratches headIt was sin that made Adam and Eve cover themselves. Did God tell them to do this?Now I am not saying that I am against modesty. I am against anything that might tempt one to sin... to lust... as God did address in the ten commandments. But I do not think God prescribed a dress code other than covering of the head, or hair, so as not to tempt the nephilim... but not to cover the face erasing all identity.

I'm not even going to answer you, I know I will be banned from this forum!

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Posted: 10 October 2012 at 12:22pm

Originally posted by Abu Loren

I'm not even going to answer you, I know I will be banned from this forum!

Sorry Abu, Truly.
I was just presenting the viewpoint that people could take. I am able to see both sides of the issue, which you will see if you read my earlier posts in this thread. I am asking Muslims to see both sides of the issue.
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Posted: 15 October 2012 at 8:15am

No human being knows everything, Abu Loren. I don't. I see forums as an opportunity for exchanging views. To me it's a very normal thing that other people have differing views. To me, like to many liberal Muslims in Germany, the Hijab is a symbol of sex segregation. Progressive Muslima in Germany don't wear it.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt

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Posted: 15 October 2012 at 8:20am

Originally posted by Matt Browne

No human being knows everything, Abu Loren. I don't. I see forums as an opportunity for exchanging views. To me it's a very normal thing that other people have differing views. To me, like to many liberal Muslims in Germany, the Hijab is a symbol of sex segregation. Progressive Muslima in Germany don't wear it.

If I'm not mistaken the majority of Muslims in Germany are Turks and I wouldn't say they are progressive but I would call them 'Westernised Muslims'.

The verse I gave you is from the Holy Qur'an and not a hadith of the Prophet pbuh). God is telling all women who believe and fear Him to cover up. You can have your views however distorted they may be.

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Posted: 16 October 2012 at 9:23am

As-Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren,

"Never Explain yourself to Anyone. Because the Person who Likes you doesn't Need it. And the Person who Dislikes you won't Believe it".

Understand what I am saying Abu Loren.

Hakeema

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Posted: 16 October 2012 at 9:33am

Originally posted by hakeema

As-Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren,

"Never Explain yourself to Anyone. Because the Person who Likes you doesn't Need it. And the Person who Dislikes you won't Believe it".

Understand what I am saying Abu Loren.

Hakeema

Wa Alaikkum As'alaam dear sis

The thing is we have to try and educate these infildils. Lol.

However rude and obnoxious they are.... Insha'Allah they will see the light and the Truth from the Holy Qur'an.

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Posted: 16 October 2012 at 12:54pm

Matt,
those terms are not Islamic. The only term that describes a true believer is "Muslim". There is no other term that describes it. Progressive Muslims, liberal Muslims, moderate Muslims, extremist Muslims, those are product of western world's choice of words describing how it distinguishes between who they approve of and who they don't.
Only those who follow the Quran are Muslims in the sight of the one who sent it. Who is good in who's sight in this world we give them a different name but the reality remains what it is, in front of God. And that's what matters to a follower of the Quran, a Muslim.

3:114 (Y. Ali) They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 16 October 2012 at 12:55pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 09 October 2012 at 8:57pm
	@Abu Loren, One could say that Muhammad was sexist. If he spoke for God, then I guess that would make God sexist. God who created Adam and Eve, naked in the garden. *scratches head It was sin that made Adam and Eve cover themselves. Did God tell them to do this? Now I am not saying that I am against modesty. I am against anything that might tempt one to sin... to lust... as God did address in the ten commandments. But I do not think God prescribed a dress code other than covering of the head, or hair, so as not to tempt the nephilim... but not to cover the face erasing all identity.
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 10 October 2012 at 2:48am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* @Abu Loren,One could say that Muhammad was sexist. If he spoke for God, then I guess that would make God sexist. God who created Adam and Eve, naked in the garden. *scratches headIt was sin that made Adam and Eve cover themselves. Did God tell them to do this?Now I am not saying that I am against modesty. I am against anything that might tempt one to sin... to lust... as God did address in the ten commandments. But I do not think God prescribed a dress code other than covering of the head, or hair, so as not to tempt the nephilim... but not to cover the face erasing all identity. I'm not even going to answer you, I know I will be banned from this forum!
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 10 October 2012 at 12:22pm
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* I'm not even going to answer you, I know I will be banned from this forum! Sorry Abu, Truly. I was just presenting the viewpoint that people could take. I am able to see both sides of the issue, which you will see if you read my earlier posts in this thread. I am asking Muslims to see both sides of the issue.
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 15 October 2012 at 8:15am
	No human being knows everything, Abu Loren. I don't. I see forums as an opportunity for exchanging views. To me it's a very normal thing that other people have differing views. To me, like to many liberal Muslims in Germany, the Hijab is a symbol of sex segregation. Progressive Muslima in Germany don't wear it.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 15 October 2012 at 8:20am
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* No human being knows everything, Abu Loren. I don't. I see forums as an opportunity for exchanging views. To me it's a very normal thing that other people have differing views. To me, like to many liberal Muslims in Germany, the Hijab is a symbol of sex segregation. Progressive Muslima in Germany don't wear it. If I'm not mistaken the majority of Muslims in Germany are Turks and I wouldn't say they are progressive but I would call them 'Westernised Muslims'. The verse I gave you is from the Holy Qur'an and not a hadith of the Prophet pbuh). God is telling all women who believe and fear Him to cover up. You can have your views however distorted they may be.
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hakeema Female Islam Groupie Joined: 10 October 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 97	Posted: 16 October 2012 at 9:23am
	As-Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren, "Never Explain yourself to Anyone. Because the Person who Likes you doesn't Need it. And the Person who Dislikes you won't Believe it". Understand what I am saying Abu Loren. Hakeema
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 16 October 2012 at 9:33am
	*Originally posted by hakeema* As-Salaam Alaikum Abu Loren, "Never Explain yourself to Anyone. Because the Person who Likes you doesn't Need it. And the Person who Dislikes you won't Believe it". Understand what I am saying Abu Loren. Hakeema Wa Alaikkum As'alaam dear sis The thing is we have to try and educate these infildils. Lol. However rude and obnoxious they are.... Insha'Allah they will see the light and the Truth from the Holy Qur'an.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 16 October 2012 at 12:54pm
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* No human being knows everything, Abu Loren. I don't. I see forums as an opportunity for exchanging views. To me it's a very normal thing that other people have differing views. To me, like to many liberal Muslims in Germany, the Hijab is a symbol of sex segregation. Progressive Muslima in Germany don't wear it. Matt, those terms are not Islamic. The only term that describes a true believer is "Muslim". There is no other term that describes it. Progressive Muslims, liberal Muslims, moderate Muslims, extremist Muslims, those are product of western world's choice of words describing how it distinguishes between who they approve of and who they don't. Only those who follow the Quran are Muslims in the sight of the one who sent it. Who is good in who's sight in this world we give them a different name but the reality remains what it is, in front of God. And that's what matters to a follower of the Quran, a Muslim. 3:114 (Y. Ali) They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Hasan Edited by honeto - 16 October 2012 at 12:55pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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