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Quote hakeema Replybullet Posted: 12 August 2012 at 9:35pm
Here is an example of twin tower explosions being mention in Hollywood. It is in the long kiss good night movie. There are many more movies and I will post them tomorrow. Now it mentions in the video clip of killing 4000 people but blaming it on the muslims. I remember people mentioning 4000 people were killed in the twin towers and who was blamed for that? Is it a coincidence that this was in a movie that was produced in 1996?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG9xfUdbH7c

Here is the Microsoft code. Type it in yourself. I type this in one in a year after 9/11 happen. At this time I had microsoft 2000 word. So somebody had to know something. Furthermore, there is a skull and bone symbol that represents a secret society that George Bush is part of that is on there. Why is that? What is the star of David doing on there? The number 33 shows up. The 33 is the high point in a secret society called Masons. Why is the number there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlq9e6UCXBY&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLho8yIciA1fjQjB4e6DSUZA

Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Here is the link. I was felt that something was not right about 9/11 his documentary opened my eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juxs1n9qRe0

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 7:20am
Hakeema countries seeking trade and exploration/exploitation beyond their boarders, racism, injustice, and even slavery, are all attributable to mankind in general and not "white people" specifically, or exclusively.  To characterize it as such is patently unfair.  With respect to secret societies, hidden codes, 911 conspiracies and the like, our discussion board has a section entitled Conspiracy Theories.
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Quote hakeema Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 10:17am
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Hakeema countries seeking trade and exploration/exploitation beyond their boarders, racism, injustice, and even slavery, are all attributable to mankind in general and not "white people" specifically, or exclusively.  To characterize it as such is patently unfair.  With respect to secret societies, hidden codes, 911 conspiracies and the like, our discussion board has a section entitled Conspiracy Theories.


As-Salaam Alaikum Abuayisha,

I wasn't characterizing nobody. Caringheart, feels that she stills needs to be suspicious of Muslim(eventhough she met "good muslims") due to 9/11. I am asking her due to the fact I suspect she is white person. Should I as a black person be suspicious of white people with the track record that white people have in mistreating non-white people? Since we gonna talk about suspicious of others LET'S TALK, don't fake the funk with me. I am not gonna sugarcoated nothing. You can Abuayisha but I am not. So, it is a legit question. Like I said with all these business investment that is going on in these so-called rogue muslim countries the U.S. government and European really don't find muslims a threat. If so, they wouldn't be over there. They are not naive about NOTHING.

Mr. Abuayisha, I always wanted to say this too among muslims especially non-white muslims who are not black. It is shame that it had to take 9/11 for black muslim to get some respect from some of y'all. After 9/11 as-salaam alaikum sister, free soda from a muslim business before 9/11 no salaams or nothing no free soda from a muslim business.

Thanks for the Conspiracy tab. To many things don't add up and muslims(especially non-white muslims) shouldn't be blame totally for this. Innocent muslim(especially non-white muslims)catching hell because somebody is lying. OK I am done over here I'll be posting over there Abuayisha. Add something if you can?


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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 11:01am
Well Hakeema, using your own logic, I would assume you are equally suspicious of a black person, because you have a greater statistical probability of mistreatment from black people assuming you don't live in an all white neighborhood, city and state.  I would hope that your only experience with the immigrant Muslim population isn't limited to small convenience stores. You may want to become involved at the Islamic Center and hopefully you'll acquire a better opinion of those referred to as "y'all" in your response.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 3:14pm
Hello Hakeema,
I see and empathize with what you have written.  Here are some of my short responses as I read.

I agree with you.  I find it abhorrent also, that the British seemed at one time, to think they could go anywhere in the world and impose their culture on people... seemed to think it was best for the world.  I find that to be arrogant and condescending... same as was done to the native Americans in America.  I know that it is wrong.  Note, they have gotten over it.   They have evolved... progressed... and do not go into others countries and  treat people this way anymore... as subservient  Let's hope that the world can remain like this.

I felt the same way you seem to, when they referred to Gabby as 'the flying squirrel', and I wondered, "How does she feel about that?"  To me it seems offensive... to a gymnast, maybe not?  I wonder though.  It does not seem appropriate to me, but I also think she has the confidence to speak up against it if she feels insulted by it, and it seems that she hasn't, so maybe it is accepted as a compliment... I don't know.  To me it is not a flattering remark even if it is meant(by ignorant people?) to be.

Regarding white supremist... they are also punished by law in the United States.  Can you say the same of terrorists in other countries?  (Just for comparison's sake)  I do not advocate white supremacy, or supremacy of any kind... including the supremacy the terrorists(or anyone else) seek to inflict on the world.

Regarding president Obama;
The arguments against Obama are his attempts to promote socialist ideas and set himself up as an autocrat, rather than the democratic leader, elected to serve the people, that he is supposed to be.

As far as prejudice against black... the pendulum has swung the other way and whites are facing prejudice in the community too.  Is your issue a Muslim issue or a black issue?  Do you think Muslims are more accepting of blacks?  What if you were to go live in Asia?  Do you not think Asian Muslims would be prejudiced against black Muslims?  Do black Muslims hold prejudice against other people?  It is not uncommon in the black community to hold prejudice against Mexicans.  It will not be until we get past this "one up-manship"... the need to always have someone lower so that one can feel better than... It is not unless and until this tendency in human nature can be purged that we will stop having prejudice in the world.  When we can all feel good about ourselves without having to be better than somebody else to do so.

"So should I as a black person be suspicious of white people with the track record that white people have? "
Aren't you?

I think after Timothy McVeigh we began to look on all people suspiciously.  It has taken away our feeling of security.  Anyone can be a threat.  I agree... it is easier to pick out a person who is different than a person who blends in, and that is unfair.

"Do White Christians still teach black Christians that they are the curse children of Ham? "
I have never heard of, or encountered, such a teaching.  A teaching such as that would have to be from some radical sect... and I'd like to say irrelevant sect, but I have lately seen, it is not wise to treat anything as  irrelevant.
Can you honestly say there is no prejudice in the writing of the Qur'an?
3:106 On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief ? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved.
Seems like a prejudiced comment of man to me... not a comment of God who created us all.
Doesn't the Qur'an itself refer to certain people as animals?
(http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/jew_apes.htm)
The worst thing about the Qur'an is the way it promotes prejudice and dissention among people.
(Rather than produce many quotes here on the forum, I refer you to read here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/quran-koran/no-discrimnation-against-black-people-in-islam/)

"How do you know if there were really dancing the street because of 9/11? "
Because they were proudly proclaiming it.

Regarding 9/11 and Hollywood movies... How do you know that Bin Laden did not get his idea from the movies?
Personally, I think it is prophesy playing out... doesn't matter who knew what or where they got the idea from... it was going to happen.

Government may not think they have reason to fear since they have all the inside information, but we are talking about the ordinary people who have been awakened to ask, 'What is going on in the world'... and isn't it always the ordinary people who pay the price when their government fails in its duty to the people?  In the United States people try to stay aware because they, in the past have always been able to exert effect and influence on a government when it was wrong.  It is how the country became free... it is how slavery was ended... it's how segregation was put to an end... by the power of the people to come together for a just cause.

Salaam,
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Quote hakeema Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 4:03pm
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Well Hakeema, using your own logic, I would assume you are equally suspicious of a black person, because you have a greater statistical probability of mistreatment from black people assuming you don't live in an all white neighborhood, city and state.  I would hope that your only experience with the immigrant Muslim population isn't limited to small convenience stores. You may want to become involved at the Islamic Center and hopefully you'll acquire a better opinion of those referred to as "y'all" in your response.


"Well Hakeema, Using your own logic."

What logic are you talking you about? I was asking Caringheart a question based on her logic. Her logic is since some muslim attacked the twin tower muslims(even though she met good ones) should be looked upon with suspiciously. So I flipped the switch and ask her a question based on her OWN logic. This is not the first time I ask this question. So what are you talking about?

Do you agree with her logic? Do you feel that she should look at all muslims suspiciously?

Why should I look at black people with suspicion. When it is taught on a subtle level within this society and worldwide to automatically look at black people with suspicion. Due to this I've seen black suffer mentally which produces self-hatred of oneself. So why should I drink the Kool-Aid myself?

For the record I am part of an Islamic Center and I have met immigrant muslim. But I am not going to deny or stop talking about colorism that goes on in the Islamic Ummah. I know about the in subtle color caste system in India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and in other muslim countries. I know that black skinned Asians are frowned up in the Asian world among Asian muslims because they are not close to white. I know that there are black people who look like the average in black American living in Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and so-called other middle eastern countries. I know about the mistreatment that they suffer because they are not light or close to white. People from these areas have told me this personally and I have read about it as well. We also have discussed racism/white supremacy as well. Yes, when some muslim have immigrated to the west they bring that mindset with them. They look at me crazy and other black muslims crazy like they do to other dark people in their homeland. Like I said after the 9/11 wake up call the crazy looks stopped and received free soda from muslim establishments.

Secondly, I know about the popularity of skin whitening cream among Muslims which is a billion dollar industry among us. Which is really sad and it ain't really about getting rid of no dark spots either. I know the message that is in the commercials. I saw them with my own eyes. Usually the message is something is wrong with you because you are dark become white or light. I've seen the mental damage it has done especially to young muslim women. Some women have told me that it was hard to get married due to being dark skinned. It also have produced self-hatred among non-white but not black individuals as well and black people. I have influenced some non-white women not to use that stuff anymore. I feel that is fixation with having white or light skinned among non-white people as whole stem from the ideology of white supremacy but I could be incorrect.

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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 5:12pm
Do you agree with her logic? Do you feel that she should look at all Muslims suspiciously?
  "Osama Bin Laden have never called me nigger or mistreated me on the basis of color but white people surely have throughout my life."
 
I think such statements indeed cause suspicion, and send the wrong message to our American friends, family and neighbors.  Do I agree that she should look at all Muslims suspiciously? No.


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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2012 at 8:00pm
"Her logic is since some muslim attacked the twin tower muslims(even though she met good ones) should be looked upon with suspiciously."

Just to clarify... This is not my 'logic'.
As I said, I was making a simple statement of facts... realities.

Let me put it this way.
If you lived in an African village and some white people came and destroyed half your village...
Would you trust the next white person to walk into your village, or would you be concerned and cautious?  Maybe even downright hostile?

Reality is you would have a hard time trusting any white person who showed up at your village.


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