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Posted: 29 July 2012 at 3:50pm

Originally posted by Matt Browne

Sitting near a window to get vitamin D? UVB radiation does not penetrate glass. Checking scientific facts is a good idea before making recommendations that affect human health.

Its silly to think that Muslim women don't have access to sunlight just because they cover up in public. Unless a lady is wearing a full niqab, her skin is still exposed to sunlight. (hands, face, feet).

Women who wear the full niqab can still get sunlight in their balcony, garden, or open window. The odds of a Niqabi woman not having access to sunlight are slim.

Chances of a person suffering from lack of vitamin D are slim, especially since one needs 4-10 minutes of sun exposure thrice a week! Over-exposure to sunlight is a bigger concern and one that most people suffer from.

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Posted: 29 July 2012 at 9:29pm

Originally posted by Matt Browne

Sometimes I am quite shocked about the lack of education that's showing in some of the posts. Why do people seem to have trouble memorizing the definition of a term like racism? As if the decision for a face veil is a criterion for race. One can't even see the skin color. How can this then be racism? Muslims expect respect for their culture without being willing to respect non-Muslim cultures. This won't work. Muslims should not kid themselves. They should not underestimate Western resolve.

Sitting near a window to get vitamin D? UVB radiation does not penetrate glass. Checking scientific facts is a good idea before making recommendations that affect human health.

To Matt and CH

I really do think that racism and prejudice are the same words....

When I mentioned that "sitting next to a window will give you vitamin d,"

I was picturing that the window would be opened.

Thanks for your advice about checking facts before giving recommendations to others....

Do you really do this yourself before posting comments about islam?

I dont think we need an answer from you.

Matt: I do think that you and I have something in common, that is:

You may get shocked from the lack of education people may have but I get shocked by the level of arrogance that are in people.

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Posted: 30 July 2012 at 4:55pm

Originally posted by lady

To Matt and CH

I really do think that racism and prejudice are the same words....

When I mentioned that "sitting next to a window will give you vitamin d,"

I was picturing that the window would be opened.

Thanks for your advice about checking facts before giving recommendations to others....

Do you really do this yourself before posting comments about islam?

I dont think we need an answer from you.

Matt: I do think that you and I have something in common, that is:

You may get shocked from the lack of education people may have but I get shocked by the level of arrogance that are in people.

As-Salāmu Alaykum Lady,

You are addressing me? Not sure how I got drawn into this, but if you are, yes I research thoroughly before sharing my opinions on what I have learned about Islam. What I share are always opinions.
Salaam.
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Posted: 31 July 2012 at 7:09am

So you have a super-devout Muslima sitting by an open window for an hour to get the required sunshine. The face alone would not be enough. You need at least two arms without sleeves as well. On the street people walk by and they can see her face. Which is no problem for me. But a problem for the super-devout folks. Well, maybe we make the ground floor and first floor off limits to women. For pedestrians it's hard to see her on the second floor. But what about a man in a building across the street? Who also lives on the second floor. So this is getting ridiculous. It's much easier to get rid of full hijabs or at least require full hijabs for men too. It would only be fair if they suffer from vitamin D deficiency as well.

There are numerous studies showing the problem. Here is just one article

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100503174026.htm

Depending on where you live and the season more than just a few minutes are required. And you need enough of the exposed skin.

Edited by Matt Browne - 31 July 2012 at 7:14am

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Posted: 01 August 2012 at 3:51am

Originally posted by Matt Browne

So you have a super-devout Muslima sitting by an open window for an hour to get the required sunshine. The face alone would not be enough. You need at least two arms without sleeves as well. On the street people walk by and they can see her face. Which is no problem for me. But a problem for the super-devout folks. Well, maybe we make the ground floor and first floor off limits to women. For pedestrians it's hard to see her on the second floor. But what about a man in a building across the street? Who also lives on the second floor. So this is getting ridiculous. It's much easier to get rid of full hijabs or at least require full hijabs for men too. It would only be fair if they suffer from vitamin D deficiency as well.

There are numerous studies showing the problem. Here is just one article

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100503174026.htm

Depending on where you live and the season more than just a few minutes are required. And you need enough of the exposed skin.

Sahih International

O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful 33:59

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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 1:37am

assalamualikum brother/sister,

Islam has specific dresscode which has been narrated in many of the Hadith for men and women. For men the trousers/dress that we wear should be above ankles.(ISBAAL) What is the specific reason for Islam pointing out this to be above ankles?

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Posted: 09 August 2012 at 3:29am

Shamypnr, the dress code is unfair. Men don't hide their faces and can take part in public life and they can be recognized as individual persons. Women have the same rights as men.

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Posted: 09 August 2012 at 8:43am

Originally posted by Matt Browne

Shamypnr, the dress code is unfair. Men don't hide their faces and can take part in public life and they can be recognized as individual persons. Women have the same rights as men.

Even men cover their faces in many countries. Bedouin Arab males also cover their faces, justv like the women. In fact, they cover the same area of skin as the women. They even cover their heads.

Edited by Chrysalis - 09 August 2012 at 8:57am

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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 29 July 2012 at 3:50pm
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* Sitting near a window to get vitamin D? UVB radiation does not penetrate glass. Checking scientific facts is a good idea before making recommendations that affect human health. Its silly to think that Muslim women don't have access to sunlight just because they cover up in public. Unless a lady is wearing a full niqab, her skin is still exposed to sunlight. (hands, face, feet). Women who wear the full niqab can still get sunlight in their balcony, garden, or open window. The odds of a Niqabi woman not having access to sunlight are slim. Chances of a person suffering from lack of vitamin D are slim, especially since one needs 4-10 minutes of sun exposure thrice a week! Over-exposure to sunlight is a bigger concern and one that most people suffer from.
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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lady Senior Member Joined: 20 September 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 240	Posted: 29 July 2012 at 9:29pm
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* Sometimes I am quite shocked about the lack of education that's showing in some of the posts. Why do people seem to have trouble memorizing the definition of a term like racism? As if the decision for a face veil is a criterion for race. One can't even see the skin color. How can this then be racism? Muslims expect respect for their culture without being willing to respect non-Muslim cultures. This won't work. Muslims should not kid themselves. They should not underestimate Western resolve. Sitting near a window to get vitamin D? UVB radiation does not penetrate glass. Checking scientific facts is a good idea before making recommendations that affect human health. To Matt and CH I really do think that racism and prejudice are the same words.... When I mentioned that "sitting next to a window will give you vitamin d," I was picturing that the window would be opened. Thanks for your advice about checking facts before giving recommendations to others.... Do you really do this yourself before posting comments about islam? I dont think we need an answer from you. Matt: I do think that you and I have something in common, that is: You may get shocked from the lack of education people may have but I get shocked by the level of arrogance that are in people.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 30 July 2012 at 4:55pm
	*Originally posted by lady* To Matt and CH I really do think that racism and prejudice are the same words.... When I mentioned that "sitting next to a window will give you vitamin d," I was picturing that the window would be opened. Thanks for your advice about checking facts before giving recommendations to others.... Do you really do this yourself before posting comments about islam? I dont think we need an answer from you. Matt: I do think that you and I have something in common, that is: You may get shocked from the lack of education people may have but I get shocked by the level of arrogance that are in people. As-Salāmu Alaykum Lady, You are addressing me? Not sure how I got drawn into this, but if you are, yes I research thoroughly before sharing my opinions on what I have learned about Islam. What I share are always opinions. Salaam. Caringheart
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 31 July 2012 at 7:09am
	So you have a super-devout Muslima sitting by an open window for an hour to get the required sunshine. The face alone would not be enough. You need at least two arms without sleeves as well. On the street people walk by and they can see her face. Which is no problem for me. But a problem for the super-devout folks. Well, maybe we make the ground floor and first floor off limits to women. For pedestrians it's hard to see her on the second floor. But what about a man in a building across the street? Who also lives on the second floor. So this is getting ridiculous. It's much easier to get rid of full hijabs or at least require full hijabs for men too. It would only be fair if they suffer from vitamin D deficiency as well. There are numerous studies showing the problem. Here is just one article http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100503174026.htm Depending on where you live and the season more than just a few minutes are required. And you need enough of the exposed skin. Edited by Matt Browne - 31 July 2012 at 7:14am
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 01 August 2012 at 3:51am
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* So you have a super-devout Muslima sitting by an open window for an hour to get the required sunshine. The face alone would not be enough. You need at least two arms without sleeves as well. On the street people walk by and they can see her face. Which is no problem for me. But a problem for the super-devout folks. Well, maybe we make the ground floor and first floor off limits to women. For pedestrians it's hard to see her on the second floor. But what about a man in a building across the street? Who also lives on the second floor. So this is getting ridiculous. It's much easier to get rid of full hijabs or at least require full hijabs for men too. It would only be fair if they suffer from vitamin D deficiency as well. There are numerous studies showing the problem. Here is just one article http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100503174026.htm Depending on where you live and the season more than just a few minutes are required. And you need enough of the exposed skin. Sahih International O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful 33:59
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shamypnr Male Islam Starter. Joined: 18 July 2012 Location: India Online Status: Offline Posts: 4	Posted: 07 August 2012 at 1:37am
	assalamualikum brother/sister, Islam has specific dresscode which has been narrated in many of the Hadith for men and women. For men the trousers/dress that we wear should be above ankles.(ISBAAL) What is the specific reason for Islam pointing out this to be above ankles?
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 755	Posted: 09 August 2012 at 3:29am
	Shamypnr, the dress code is unfair. Men don't hide their faces and can take part in public life and they can be recognized as individual persons. Women have the same rights as men.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Chrysalis Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2031	Posted: 09 August 2012 at 8:43am
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* Shamypnr, the dress code is unfair. Men don't hide their faces and can take part in public life and they can be recognized as individual persons. Women have the same rights as men. Even men cover their faces in many countries. Bedouin Arab males also cover their faces, justv like the women. In fact, they cover the same area of skin as the women. They even cover their heads. Edited by Chrysalis - 09 August 2012 at 8:57am
	"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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