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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 15 July 2012 at 2:34pm
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I didn't have alot of luck at this link, but I did manage to read this: The truth about prophet Muhammad
I admit, in the interest of time, I have to scan these articles.
This is one of the most encouraging things I have read so far.  It is a statement that does not rewrite history but is simply a statement of fact which I hope is true.
Let Muslims not forget that the Prophet, encouraged freedom of expression.

Part of the West's success today is the freedom of expression, of thought, of religion—that draws Muslims to it from their oppressed societies. For that, Muslims should be thankful to the West. After all, freedom is an Islamic value that the West has embraced while Muslim societies have forsaken.
I also concur with this.  This is Biblical.
Without safeguards, the exercise of this freedom can be lethal, as we have seen.

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. - Galatians

11 Dear friends,  I urge you, as foreigners and exiles,  to abstain from sinful desires,  which wage war against your soul.   12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds  and glorify God  on the day he visits us.
16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God - 1 Peter

12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not beneficial: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. - 1 Corinthians

The Believer’s Freedom

23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others. - 1 Corinthians 10


This is partly what has happened in the west.  Taking freedoms too far and forgetting the values which we once held dear.



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Quote sultan Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2012 at 1:27pm
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Those are interesting points Kish, thanks for sharing. I would like to make a response on some of the points. I do not have knowledge, except what is given and may have been misunderstood. So any fault is of mine and I seek refuge in God.

1. Prophet Muhammad had different orders, and this is the will of God to separate into different religions, as a test. And it is He who will clarify and judge us on what we differ. He is all powerful, and if He had willed it, we all would be under 1 religion.

2,4,8. I do not know the origin of the word "Allah". Maybe the majority called God by Allah during that time in Arabia. The Qur'an was sent down to an Arabic speaking society, that is why it is in Arabic. It would make no sense if it was sent down in any other languages. If it was sent down in China with a Chinese Prophet, Mandarin would be the language of the Qur'an and Muslims would probably be calling God by "Shen". So, yes, previous prophets may have spoken in Aramaic, Hebrew or whatever, and that's the language it should be in wherever it is sent down.

9. Prophet Muhammad has his faults, I think two, mentioned in the Qur'an. Turning his face away from a man while he was alongside powerful men of Arabia, and trying to please his wives by allowing something. Prophet Muhammad has no power in setting what is allowed or forbidden, only God does.

He is a man who had attained God's Mercy. I don't know if Muslim scholars make the claim that he is the "holy spirit". I cannot testify what other Prophets agree to or disagree. I can only say this is what I have been given with. I seek refuge in God.

3,10. The only one who can save us is God.

Peace.

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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2012 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by Usmani

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Quote:-All my research confirms the absolute truth of the Bible and its preserved Word.
 

Please include this book in your research.

http://www.guidedways.com/articles/isbiblewordofgod.php

Indeed, a great book and an eye opener, every Muslim must read this so arm themselves with truth of the matter and knowledge to be better equiped with when engaging in talk with those Bible thumpers.
Jazakallah,
Hasan
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2012 at 8:12pm
Really frustrating to take my time to respond to someone and then not have my responses show up, but then someone who posts after me, theirs does.  and then of course the person I am responding to does not know that I ever replied to them.  
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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2012 at 4:10am
Assalamu alaika Caringheart.


The greatest freedom of expression, though, association, intellect and worshiping the God o Abraham was never seen, witnessed, experienced except during the time of Muhammad Rasulullah. Compare Numbers 3, "Anyone else who tries to perform the duty of a priest must be put to death with the holy Qur'an  41:32, "...and then stands firm and invites (men) to Allah's (Way)..."
Although there is claim that there is freedom of expression in the West, they do not have freedom of religious understanding. They are intellectually enslaved at the mercy o their priests etc. Imagine Deut.32:6, "Israel, the Lord is your Father, the one who created you..." and yet the West believe that Jesus is the only son of Allah.

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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2012 at 6:00am
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Really frustrating to take my time to respond to someone and then not have my responses show up, but then someone who posts after me, theirs does.  and then of course the person I am responding to does not know that I ever replied to them.  
 
Yes I think what happens is that when you click on the Post Reply button a message comes up saying that we are in a moderated forum and the reply will be looked at by the powers that be. May be it just sits in their inbox for days until they log on to the forum. Just may be....
 
You are right it is frustrating....
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2012 at 12:39pm
Sorry guys...
Usmani, abjad, Abu Loren, Ismail(iec)
I have responded but my replies have not been posted.  ??
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 17 July 2012 at 2:07pm
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

The greatest freedom of expression, though, association, intellect and worshiping the God o Abraham was never seen, witnessed, experienced except during the time of Muhammad Rasulullah. Compare Numbers 3, "Anyone else who tries to perform the duty of a priest must be put to death with the holy Qur'an  41:32, "...and then stands firm and invites (men) to Allah's (Way)..."
Although there is claim that there is freedom of expression in the West, they do not have freedom of religious understanding. They are intellectually enslaved at the mercy o their priests etc. Imagine Deut.32:6, "Israel, the Lord is your Father, the one who created you..." and yet the West believe that Jesus is the only son of Allah.

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Greetings friendship,
I do not quite understand what it is you are trying to say regarding Numbers 3 and Qur'an 41:32.

41:32 A gift of welcome from One Forgiving, Merciful.  (?)

Regarding the rest of what you say, if I understand at all what you are trying to say...
I don't think Muhammad, Islam and the Muslim community brings freedom of expression at all.  (Just my impression)
There is no freedom of expression here.  All of my posts get deleted when they contain inconvenient truths.
When you deny people the truth they are then susceptible to be led into error.
Is this what God wants?
Many professing Christians, those who believe they are 'saved', are led into error by the belief that grace is all that is necessary and forgetting that "faith without works is dead".  Jesus will say on judgement day, "I never knew you", neither you knew Me.
The church is full, but these who think they belong to God, yet have little understanding, are being led to their destruction.
Does Islam want to make the same mistake?

Regarding your comments on Deut. 32:6
The only Divine Son of God.  In my belief we are all children of God, but we choose whether or not we will belong to our God and Father by our own actions.  This is my belief.  Others may have a different belief but this is my understanding and belief.  You have to remember, not many read and study the scriptures to gain understanding... to 'renew their minds' and thus allow God in.   In a letter to Timothy, Paul says to "study to show thyself approved".  In other words to grow close to God.  To know the Word is to know God... to invite Him to live in us.   There are not many who do this.

I hope that I have written clearly.
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