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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by Usmani

Only thing is require is the true thirst of finding the truth.



or a desire to remain blind to the truth...

All my research confirms the absolute truth of the Bible and its preserved Word.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by Abu Loren

Question: If Islam is not a new religion as you say, how can it be explained that it was never spoken of by anyone, anywhere, before Muhammad came along?
It was men, mere human beings who chnaged His message into what they wanted to be and deviated from the truth.


I say this not to blaspheme, or to insult anyone, but only to share my own opinion, the conclusions I have reached as I have studied.

"It was men, mere human beings who chnaged His message into what they wanted to be and deviated from the truth."

This is just who I believe Muhammad to be.  I do not doubt that he wanted to be a man of God.  But here's the way I see it after much study.
Muhammad came and he said of himself that he was a prophet of God
- and because he spoke with beautiful words he was believed.
Muhammad came and said not to believe in the Bible (which was what itching ears wanted to hear anyway since he was speaking to a people who had already rejected the One God religion).  He said not to believe in the Bible even though it is the testimony of many writers
- and because he said he was a prophet of God, he was believed... Or was it because he came with power to do harm?
Muhammad came and said not to believe what was known and testified about Jesus
- and he was believed because he claimed to be a prophet of God and came with power(the power of the sword), power to do harm.

and yet the Bible itself foretold of all these things... that one would come preaching another Gospel and speaking against Christ.

To justify himself, or perhaps it is the Immams that seek a way to justify his claim... it is said of him that he is the Comforter of which Jesus spoke, but this is not possible.  Jesus was clear that the Comforter would be Spirit not man... specifically the Holy Spirit... the One who would come after He was gone, to be with His disciples.  That the Spirit(the Comforter) could not come until He went.  He was clear that the Holy Spirit would be, He Himself, indwelt in them.  Muhammad could not come to Jesus' disciples(was he even born yet?).  He certainly would not claim to be a disciple of Jesus.   He was not spirit, and he could not indwell in any human being. 

I do not doubt that Muhammad wanted a better world, and I think he knew the Word of God and saw this as a way of accomplishing his purposes.  But, I see him as setting himself up much as Pharaoh did... as Lord and ruler... whatever it took to win the people to become united.

Here is just one example:
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children." - Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 002, Hadith Number 013.

37 He that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. (Matthew 10, Luke 14)
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 10)

Islam simply takes the known scriptures and changes them to fit their circumstances and purpose.  Do you see(notice) that the Hadith leaves out the mother here?  This is to fit Islamic culture and purpose.  At least that is what I see.  I have many other examples.

Thank you for responding to my question. Heart  and listening to my reply Smile
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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 12:52am
Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

You asked: Can you tell me more about the Quraysh?

Response: They were descendants of Qussay technically. They were divided into two in 610 A.C- the Quraysh of the hollow and high land.
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Quote nothing Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 1:38am
Originally posted by Caringheart

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     "Depend, proof for me does not mean it is acceptable to other party."
But what proof is there for you?  Please share.  Proof is different than faith, or belief.  Either way though if you would share proof or your belief.

Inshaallah I will share it with you later on.
    
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@nothing "We are constantly evolving btw."
Yes, I believe that faith practice evolves, changes, and adapts according to culture... but not the Word of God.  The Word of God does not change.

I heard that camels were unlawful to be eaten in the Old Testament but made lawful in the Qur'an. Same with sabbath day as resting day Jesus allowed people to be active in the sabbath. You know this better than I, so is this true?

Originally posted by Caringheart


Thanks again, everybody. Heart

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Quote sultan Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 9:10am
A simple answer on why I believe Muhammad is a prophet of God is because the Qur'an states that Muhammad Rasul'Allah. I do not deny the Qur'an and all the teachings inside.

Do I need proof of existence (historical witness)? No, just as I don't need proof of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc. Faith, it's almost ignorance.
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 12:38pm
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Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
from a believer's perspective, for me its simple. Prophet Mohammed's (pbuh) message, it's simplicity and universality is the main reason to know that he was a true prophet of God. In the time when humanity was in need of direction, his call to bring us back to the worship and service of One God our Creator has the most profound affect on hearts of believers like myself. Also what has come to be known as revelations or word of God, the Quran, it turns out to be of such a great value while he was an ordinary man who did not know to read and write. It is a Miracle and only God can make happen such miracles. Thus no doubt, God is behind choosing him as a prophet giving him the Quran, a guide for mankind like many prophets and their books before to lead man into the right way and out of error.
I know its a very vast topic like others have said, but this is my short answer to your question, I hope it helps.
Hasan
I do appreciate your answer Hasan.Have you considered that as a child, as he traveled with his uncle, that Muhammad heard the Psalms as they were chanted and that he came to know the Word of God this way?  That the beauty of the Qur'an comes from the beauty of the Psalms, God's Word?It was common practice for the Psalms to be chanted throughout the day at that time, as the Monks went about their business of tending the farms. (This is where the practice of 'prayer beads' in the Christian faith came from.  It is how they counted off the Psalms as they chanted them) Have you considered that is where the idea of 'call to prayer' originated?  From hearing the beauty of the Psalms being sung out for all to hear.I have considered these things. [IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" />


Caringheart,
what you suggest may be so and may be not as their is no record that that is the case. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) as a young man did travel and must have known more about other places and people than those who never had a chance to do so. Similarly, I am sure there were those who traveled more than him and known Psalms more than him. I, as a Muslim believe that Psalms or Zaboor was from God Almighty given to Prophet David or Daood (pbuh), a prophet of Islam. So if the Prophet was reading the Psalms, as you suggest I don't see any problem with that. What was given to Prophet Mohmmed (pbuh)as the Quran was in line with what God Almighty has sent through many prophets before, there is no surprise in that for a Muslim. The Quran states that:3:84 (Y. Ali) Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
Do we have Psalms or Zaboor in its pure state, that's a separate question.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 12 July 2012 at 12:40pm
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 8:21pm
Originally posted by nothing


Inshaallah I will share it with you later on.

Thanks.  I'll try not to miss it when you do.  Smile
    
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I heard that camels were unlawful to be eaten in the Old Testament but made lawful in the Qur'an. Same with sabbath day as resting day Jesus allowed people to be active in the sabbath. You know this better than I, so is this true?


Without doing a bit of research I can not say for certain about camels.  I do not recall camels being mentioned in the old testament.  What is stated is that the Jews were not to eat any animal with a "cloven hoof"... i.e., a split hoof... like the pig has.
It would surprise me if the Qur'an said that it would be ok to eat camels.

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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 12 July 2012 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by sultan

Faith, it's almost ignorance.


If this is true then why is it unacceptable for others to have 'faith' in many gods.  If no proof is needed, only ignorance.  Who is to say that their 'faith' is wrong, or misplaced?  If we all follow our own ignorance.  My God said to 'discern the truth'... to 'test and approve all things' that you might not be led astray. We are warned that satan is a deceiver, and that the 'enemy prowls like a lion waiting to devour'.

I do appreciate your honest reply.  Thank you.

We are also told that we must come to Him as little children(trusting in faith, wise about what is good and innocent about what is evil) - the words of Jesus
I think to be wise about what is good though, we must examine what we believe.
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