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Quote Usmani Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2012 at 3:05am
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Knowing so many expects of his life. never tell a lie in his life. People used to call Him (sadiq and Imeen) person who always speaks truth and always return back whatever belonging of the peoples He used to keep in his custody. Live a simple life, He got every quality of a leader to its extreme. The message what He brought is linked with every prophet, God send for the guidance of human. It is logical, trustworthy and appeal to the mind and heart of the person who is sincere.
 
 

Being the last message through Him, God will keep the message protected until the last day, whereas God did not find the need to protect the previous messages (Bible,Taurat,Zaboor).The last message already incorporate whatever needful was there in the previous messages and something addional to them as well.As Bible says (in my own words) many things I want to tell you, but you cannot bear them now. The comforter will come and tell you.

As claimed this message is the same today as was there 1500 years ago.Thousands of people memorizes it. It could be reproduced easily if all the hard and soft copies are lost. His all predictions are coming true which we finds in the ahadith.When I look at others religion’s messages and compare it with last message then my believe gets more stronger on the last message I-e Quran. I can see that they are too from God as well, but not as they would be there originally.



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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2012 at 4:27am
As'alaamu Alaikkum

The reason why I believe Muhammed (pbuh) was a prophet of God is because from an early age I was very unhappy with the Catholic church and it's teachings. I used to look at the figure of a dying person nailed to the cross and I was emotionless whilst it was supposed to convey all kinds of emotions to the person who is looking at it. I was very uncomfortable with Christianity and at the back of my mind I had a feeling that there was something very wrong with it. I also couldn't accept the deity of Jesus (pbuh) or the concept of the Trinity.

Then being without God for a very long time and playing the role of an atheist, I suddenly felt a sudden urge to find God. So I started looking and the only place I looked was Islam because at the back of my mind I had this thought of their devotion to monotheism. I was convinced and I took the Shahada and now I am a Muslim Alhamdulilah.

On a side note, what many people don't realise is that Islam is not a new religion. Father Adam (pbuh) was a muslim, Ibrahim (pbuh) was a Muslim so were all the prophets of God. A muslim is simply a person who submits fully to the Will of God the Almighty.

The reason for a final messenger is clear when you read the first five verses of Surat Al-Kahf. Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala has cursed the Jews for their continuous disobedience and for their altering the Torah, and the Christians are astray as they worship the Messiah Jesus (pbuh).

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[All] praise is [due] to Allah , who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance. [He has made it] straight, to warn of severe punishment from Him and to give good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a good reward In which they will remain forever And to warn those who say, " Allah has taken a son." They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.

Finally, one must understand that an unlettered person from Arabia in the seventh century could not possibly produce the Holy Qu'ran. Also if you read the Hadiths of the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) you will find a goldmine of information that a normal human being could not produce. For example, the prophet Muhammed (pbuh) describes some of his predecessors and the information he gives us is nowhere else to be found. He even gives us the name of Pharaoh's wife, he describes how tall Father Adam (pbuh) was, he describes how Moses (pbuh), Jesus (pbuh) etc look like.

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Quote nothing Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2012 at 11:35am
Originally posted by Caringheart

Please someone tell me why they believe in Muhammad as a prophet of God.

Usually the word "Prophet" is understood as "messenger". But maybe you have different meaning or addition to it?

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Why does his teaching supercede, in a Muslim's mind, all the teaching of thousands of years of witnesses and history?

Only if the older one became irrelevant for the newer world. We are constantly evolving btw.

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What proof is there of Muhammad and his claims?

Depend, proof for me does not mean it is acceptable to other party.


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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 10 July 2012 at 11:36pm
Thank you all for your answers.  I appreciate you trying to answer my question.  I am condensing to one reply.  Smile

@Abu Loren
     "read the first five verses of Surat Al-Kahf"
     "Also if you read the Hadiths"
I will try to do this... there is an awful lot to the Hadith's
As for Muhammad being unlettered, I don't see the bearing on the matter since the Qur'an was given by oral tradition and written down by others.  Muhammad only needed to speak.
Question:  If Islam is not a new religion as you say, how can it be explained that it was never spoken of by anyone, anywhere, before Muhammad came along?


@Usmanui
I understand, Muhammad came to be a respected man, but early on he was rejected by his own people and had to run to Medina.  Do you know how it is that he later came to be respected?

Regarding;
     "Being the last message through Him, God will keep the message     protected until the last day, whereas God did not find the need to protect the previous messages (Bible,Taurat,Zaboor)."

Does it really make sense that God would not protect all of His Word?

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     "Depend, proof for me does not mean it is acceptable to other party."
But what proof is there for you?  Please share.  Proof is different than faith, or belief.  Either way though if you would share proof or your belief.
     "We are constantly evolving btw."
Yes, I believe that faith practice evolves, changes, and adapts according to culture... but not the Word of God.  The Word of God does not change.

Thanks again, everybody. Heart
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Quote Friendship Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 12:03am
Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

You said: I still would prefer a personal testimony as to your own heart.
Response. Although I was born in a Muslim family, that is not what convinced me in what Muhammad taught and practiced. I considered:
1. His impending arrival was the talk of the town in Makka by the learned christians and syrian monks.
2. His tribe the Quraysh never denied his claim.
3. The Levi clan of the children of Israel, the masters o the Torah never denied his call.
4. When he explained to the christian najran that Jesus could not be the son of the Allah of Abraham, they did not dispute with him. They said that no tribe will ever insult a prophet but live to see their fruits.
5. If Muhammad was a false prophet then their could have been no peace in Madina after his migration.
My personal testimony is my extensive research that I have not find anything inconsistent in his message in what is in the book of Genesis and the Exodus. If you disobey G-d, He will punish you and you will suffer. I you obey Him you will prosfe. I believe that we are suffering because the jews, the christinas and the followers of Muhammad have deviated from the teaching of Muhammad. We must distinguish between obedience to Allah and obedience to Muhammad.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 12:55am
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.

You said: I still would prefer a personal testimony as to your own heart.
Response. Although I was born in a Muslim family, that is not what convinced me in what Muhammad taught and practiced. I considered:
1. His impending arrival was the talk of the town in Makka by the learned christians and syrian monks.
2. His tribe the Quraysh never denied his claim.
3. The Levi clan of the children of Israel, the masters o the Torah never denied his call.
4. When he explained to the christian najran that Jesus could not be the son of the Allah of Abraham, they did not dispute with him. They said that no tribe will ever insult a prophet but live to see their fruits.
5. If Muhammad was a false prophet then their could have been no peace in Madina after his migration.
My personal testimony is my extensive research that I have not find anything inconsistent in his message in what is in the book of Genesis and the Exodus. If you disobey G-d, He will punish you and you will suffer. I you obey Him you will prosfe. I believe that we are suffering because the jews, the christinas and the followers of Muhammad have deviated from the teaching of Muhammad. We must distinguish between obedience to Allah and obedience to Muhammad.
Friendship.


Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Somebody mentioned the Quraysh, and I asked them to tell me more...
Was that you?  Can you tell me more about the Quraysh?
I suppose I can try to remember to research it if I can find the time.  I am involved in so much research already. Heart
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Quote Usmani Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 3:08am
Caringheart,
 
Quote: - I understand, Muhammad came to be a respected man, but early on he was rejected by his own people and had to run to Medina.  Do you know how it is that he later came to be respected?
 

>>>When Muhammad (Peace and blessing of God upon Him) concord Mecca, He never took revenge of what the worse people of Mecca have done with Muslims and Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessing of God upon Him) as well. They have seen the sincerity of the task God send Him for.

O Quraish, what do you think of the treatment that I should accord you?"

And they said, "Mercy, O Prophet of Allah. We expect nothing but good from you."

Thereupon Muhammad (pbuh) declared: "I speak to you in the same words as Joseph spoke to his brothers. This day there is no reproof against you; Go your way, for you are free."

Quote: -     "Being the last message through Him, God will keep the message     protected until the last day, whereas God did not find the need to protect the previous messages (Bible, Taurat, and Zaboor)."

Does it really make sense that God would not protect all of His Word?

 
>>>Yes it makes, previous generations were different, miracles works for them more than words. Now the people can analyzes the truth through research and study. So you got words of God and words of Final Prophet Protected with you with logic, reasons and so on to ponder. Resources all available, books, internet and people who can clear things for you if have any problem. You can also analyze that Bible and Taurat are not protected while Quran is.

Only thing is require is the true thirst of finding the truth.

 

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Quote Abu Loren Replybullet Posted: 11 July 2012 at 5:40am
Question: If Islam is not a new religion as you say, how can it be explained that it was never spoken of by anyone, anywhere, before Muhammad came along?
You are looking at this from a wrong angle. From Father Adam through to all the pious prophets of God were all Muslims. You must understand that Muslims are not those strange folk with long beards and head coverings and who mostly live in the Middle East and Asia. A muslim is anybody who has submitted fully to the Will of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, John, Jesus, Muhammed (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all) submitted to the Will of Allah, so they were ALL Muslims. Islam is not a new religion, it only confirms what was sent before and to rectify the faults of the former people, the Holy Qur'an was sent to the last prophet and messenger of God.
You are looking at this from the wrong angle, what you probably think about Islam is that it is a new religion made up by an Arab called Muhammed who lived in Arabia more than one thousand four hundred years ago. That concept is wrong. It clearly states in the Holy Qur'an that ALL the messeners and prophets of Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala were sent with the same message, that is to worship only the One True God and to pray and to given in charity etc. It was men, mere human beings who chnaged His message into what they wanted to be and deviated from the truth. Therefore, the Holy Qur'an encompasses all of the former scriptures and laws that were sent down to mankind. It is just the final message and instructions to mankind until the Day of Judgement. If people do not believe in this final message then it truly is too late for salvation.
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