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Originally posted by aka2x2

 Those who remain in Israel live under terrible conditions. Until and
unless these oppressed people and their refugees are given a just and enduring
solutions, hostilities in the region will continue.
Hi.  Thank you.  Your reply is interesting.
For the purpose of my edification... can you please tell me a few things.
What do you perceive these terrible conditions are, and what oppression you know of?  
In my estimation all who live in the state of Israel live in terrible conditions because of constant warring.  These cnditons affect all and it was not the people of Israel that began the war as far as all my research and study reveals.  As far as oppression I am unaware of the exact conditions in Israel and wonder how you come by your information.
What is the source?  Do you know or speak with anyone that is in Israel?  This I what I am seeking, first hand information.  Just as in court hearsay is not allowed.  I think we need not to be making judgements when we live on one side of the world and not in the place of conflict.  I'm not saying that is what you have done... many do however.   So I am interested to know on what you base your information.  I try to give consideration to all sources.  
Originally posted by aka2x2

Finally, I must
point out that it is not necessary or mandatory for a Christian or Jewish woman
to convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. She may do so without
converting. Personally I know many such couples.

This came as a great surprise to me.  So is it possible that Islam is practiced differently in different places, just as Christianity has conformed to different cultures as it spread around the world, and took varied forms?

I was certain that I had read... in one of the Hadith's maybe... that conversion was absolutely necessary for the marriage to be allowed.
The Catholic church requires both parties to the marriage to be Catholic in order to wed in the church, and to have the marriage recognized by the church.  So conversion is necessary to be married in the church if one of the parties is not a Catholic.  I don't know if it is this same with all forms of Christianity.

Thanks and blessings,

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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 4:27pm
	*Originally posted by aka2x2* Those who remain in Israel live under terrible conditions. Until and unless these oppressed people and their refugees are given a just and enduring solutions, hostilities in the region will continue. Hi. Thank you. Your reply is interesting. For the purpose of my edification... can you please tell me a few things. What do you perceive these terrible conditions are, and what oppression you know of? In my estimation all who live in the state of Israel live in terrible conditions because of constant warring. These cnditons affect all and it was not the people of Israel that began the war as far as all my research and study reveals. As far as oppression I am unaware of the exact conditions in Israel and wonder how you come by your information. What is the source? Do you know or speak with anyone that is in Israel? This I what I am seeking, first hand information. Just as in court hearsay is not allowed. I think we need not to be making judgements when we live on one side of the world and not in the place of conflict. I'm not saying that is what you have done... many do however. So I am interested to know on what you base your information. I try to give consideration to all sources. *Originally posted by aka2x2* Finally, I must point out that it is not necessary or mandatory for a Christian or Jewish woman to convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. She may do so without converting. Personally I know many such couples. This came as a great surprise to me. So is it possible that Islam is practiced differently in different places, just as Christianity has conformed to different cultures as it spread around the world, and took varied forms? I was certain that I had read... in one of the Hadith's maybe... that conversion was absolutely necessary for the marriage to be allowed. The Catholic church requires both parties to the marriage to be Catholic in order to wed in the church, and to have the marriage recognized by the church. So conversion is necessary to be married in the church if one of the parties is not a Catholic. I don't know if it is this same with all forms of Christianity. Thanks and blessings,
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iec786 Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 282	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 11:06pm
	can you please tell me a few things. What do you perceive these terrible conditions are, trees being burned illegal occupation,killing of small children for no reason,stealing and contaminating water A true Apartheid state, controlling access. and what oppression you know of? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11859 In my estimation all who live in the state of Israel live in terrible conditions because of constant warring. These cnditons affect all and it was not the people of Israel that began the war as far as all my research and study reveals. http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=53132 http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/General/Story1913.html As far as oppression I am unaware of the exact conditions in Israel and wonder how you come by your information. http://www.palestineremembered.com/index.html What is the source? Do you know or speak with anyone that is in Israel? This I what I am seeking, first hand information. Just as in court hearsay is not allowed. I think we need not to be making judgements when we live on one side of the world and not in the place of conflict. I'm not saying that is what you have done... many do however. So I am interested to know on what you base your information. I try to give consideration to all sources. </span> *Originally posted by aka2x2* <font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="mso-ansi-: EN;" lang="EN"><font face="Calibri">Finally, I must point out that it is not necessary or mandatory for a Christian or Jewish woman to convert to Islam in order to marry a Muslim. She may do so without converting. Personally I know many such couples.<o:p></o:p></span> This came as a great surprise to me. So is it possible that Islam is practiced differently in different places, just as Christianity has conformed to different cultures as it spread around the world, and took varied forms? I was certain that I had read... in one of the Hadith's maybe... that conversion was absolutely necessary for the marriage to be allowed. The Catholic church requires both parties to the marriage to be Catholic in order to wed in the church, and to have the marriage recognized by the church. So conversion is necessary to be married in the church if one of the parties is not a Catholic. I don't know if it is this same with all forms of Christianity. Thanks and blessings, [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />[IMG]smileys/smiley27.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Heart" /> [/QUOTE]
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abjad Newbie Joined: 03 July 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 12	Posted: 13 July 2012 at 10:28am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* I would like to hear from one Muslim that can view a Jew as a brother... and if not then tell me why not... if both serve the God of Abraham... asalaam aleykum me too would like to hear from one Jew can view a Muslim as brother and if not then tell me why not.. if both believe in One God.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 16 July 2012 at 4:23pm
	Caringheart, after giving your question some thought here is my take on your question. Since everything a Muslim strive for in this life is seeking pleasure of God Almighty and not to displease Him. Let us remember that Jews rejected two of God's beloved prophets, Prophet Jesus and Prophet Mohammed (pbut). Anyone that rejects God's messangers and books certainly do not please God Almighty. And the one who does not please God Almighty cannot be a "brother" in God's sight to those who's lives revolves around seeking God's pleasure and believe in all of His messangers and books. I personally have friends who are Jews just like I have friends who are Christians or Hindus. We certainly have other bonds with each other, brotherhood of humanity may be! Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 16 July 2012 at 8:56pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?
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aka2x2 Senior Member Joined: 12 September 2006 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 398	Posted: 16 July 2012 at 9:58pm
	Caringheart I do not wish to engage you regarding the Palestinians. The information is available in documentaries from BBC, PBS, CNN, TIME, etc, etc. I am satisfied that anyone who does not know the atrocities happening there simply does not wish to know. I am well aware that Jewish people and Catholics are not allowed to marry outside of their faith. I have no idea what that has to do with Islam. Quran is clear on this issue and there are many many practicing Muslims who are married to God fearing Non-Muslims.
	Respectfully aka2x2
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 18 July 2012 at 4:46pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God? Caringheart, I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details). You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why? Hasan Edited by honeto - 18 July 2012 at 4:48pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1311	Posted: 23 July 2012 at 8:06pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* *Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God? Caringheart, I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details). You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why? Hasan Hello Hasan, I am a little behind in my replies. I hope that you are doing well. I do not know how much God will be pleased with them. "Do I have the mind of God?" (from Job) It is for God to judge. I say that they, according to their belief, are doing what they think they must to be pleasing to God so who can fault them; just as Muslims are doing what they feel they must in order to be pleasing to God and I only find fault with them when they, by their teaching, condone killing others for the sole purpose that they do not share their beliefs. Let God do the punishing... it is only for Him to do. I will always stand by, that it is only for God to judge the heart... only God can know what pleases Him. If anyone is misguided God will judge on the day of judgement. It is not for man to know or decide. If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus is wrong, then the Jews are right and God is pleased with them. If Jesus is the correct way to God, then the Jews, and the Muslims, are in error, and God will not accept them into heaven. But only God knows all Truth. Salaam Edited by Caringheart - 23 July 2012 at 8:10pm
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