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Nausheen
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Posted: 25 July 2012 at 12:35am

neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God.

If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.

Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted!

The important matter however is not weather my christian neighbour or my Jew co-work is pleasing God or not. The matter is rather, is God pleased with me or not - this should be of prime concern to me!

Edited by Nausheen - 25 July 2012 at 12:36am

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 25 July 2012 at 3:01pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God.

If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims.

Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted!

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Posted: 26 July 2012 at 2:14pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God?

Caringheart,

I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details).

You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why?

Hasan

Hello Hasan,I am a little behind in my replies. I hope that you are doing well.I do not know how much God will be pleased with them. "Do I have the mind of God?" (from Job) It is for God to judge. I say that they, according to their belief, are doing what they think they must to be pleasing to God so who can fault them; just as Muslims are doing what they feel they must in order to be pleasing to God and I only find fault with them when they, by their teaching, condone killing others for the sole purpose that they do not share their beliefs. Let God do the punishing... it is only for Him to do.I will always stand by, that it is only for God to judge the heart... only God can know what pleases Him. If anyone is misguided God will judge on the day of judgement. It is not for man to know or decide.If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus is wrong, then the Jews are right and God is pleased with them.If Jesus is the correct way to God, then the Jews, and the Muslims, are in error, and God will not accept them into heaven.But only God knows all Truth.Salaam [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" />

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Caringheart,
I answered what I believe to be my understanding based on what God has revealed.
If any reject God's beloved prophets, whom God sent for a specific purpose does not please God. If they (the prophets) were not needed, or their arrival with the word of God was of not much importance, and without purpose, why would God send them then anyway and give them His word?
I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other.
If we try to understand the scripture we find verses that actually support the fact I just described above. Jesus (pbuh) for example is quoted to have said:
John 15:22
"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin."
This is what Jesus is quoted to have said of Jews in the Bible:
Matthew 23: 29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Are you saying that this is not what Jesus really meant?

Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 26 July 2012 at 2:21pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 26 July 2012 at 10:45pm

Dawa for muslims - to help spread islam in china - the world next super power!! do u want a muslim super power in this world - CHINA -help to spread islam in china!

Currently, chinese-muslim population is fixed for the last 30 year in china. the christian population has grown 1000 fold - and increasing... mainly rich christian countries and charirties are spending annually 100s of billions into china to convert into christianity....

Muslims must do the same - copy our christian brothers - give china a second religious option to choose from...

Do some things similar to christians - PECEFULLY spread islam in china - print millions of chinese-koran and distribute to every village in china, build mosques and give money to poor and ask for convert to islam, build large mosque in large city to attract influntial people, hire 1000s of muslin missionary worker to go door to door, in parks, etc - to talk about islam and give out the koran -

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Posted: 27 July 2012 at 6:52pm

Originally posted by tom007

do u want a muslim super power in this world -

This is what is objectionable in your belief.(you personally)
Self serving, self-seeking.
If you want to serve God, serve God, but it does not serve God to pit his people one against another... this only serves the purposes of the devil, which is to destroy all of God's creation.
Think about who you are serving.

If we are all serving God what does it matter whether we are Muslim or Christian or Jew? We should only want to serve God in love. Pitting yourself against another does nothing to save God's creation.

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Posted: 27 July 2012 at 7:07pm

Originally posted by honeto

I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other.

Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets.

Hasan

Is it possible that messengers have come as they were needed, to bring the message in the form that it was needed, at the time that it was needed?
Moses for the Jews
Jesus for the gentiles
Muhammad for the Arabs

each having their own purpose?
Regardless of how you look at it we are all believers in what we believe is the same God. You believe your God is the same as my God do you not? So then, do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly? Do we not belong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin?
Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?

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Posted: 01 August 2012 at 5:06pm

funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew.
It is true that our intention may be same to serve God.
A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book.
Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded.
Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong.
Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran,
there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him.

Edited by honeto - 02 August 2012 at 8:15pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 03 August 2012 at 4:54pm

Originally posted by honeto

funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew.
It is true that our intention may be same to serve God.
A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book.
Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded.
Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong.
Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran,
there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him.

You dismiss, or forget, or do not know of? ... Sikhism which worships one God.
Heart

Do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly? Do we not belong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin?
Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?

Edited by Caringheart - 03 August 2012 at 4:57pm

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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 25 July 2012 at 12:35am
	neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God. If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims. Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted! The important matter however is not weather my christian neighbour or my Jew co-work is pleasing God or not. The matter is rather, is God pleased with me or not - this should be of prime concern to me! Edited by Nausheen - 25 July 2012 at 12:36am
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 25 July 2012 at 3:01pm
	*Originally posted by Nausheen* neither Moses, nor Jesus nor Muhammad were wrong (peace be upon them), since they were all messengers of the same God. If anyone is wrong in any of their matters, its their followers, ie the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims. Amongst these, ie, the jews, the christians and the muslims, those who are not wrong, and their actions have really pleased God - none of that has been wasted! The important matter however is not weather my christian neighbour or my Jew co-work is pleasing God or not. The matter is rather, is God pleased with me or not - this should be of prime concern to me!
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 26 July 2012 at 2:14pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* *Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* You don't think the Jews are seeking to be pleasing to God? Caringheart, I do not know if after rejecting God's two prophets and the word of God that came through them, how much God will be pleased with them (without going into more details). You tell me? My answer is there, do you disagree? how and why? Hasan Hello Hasan,I am a little behind in my replies. I hope that you are doing well.I do not know how much God will be pleased with them. "Do I have the mind of God?" (from Job) It is for God to judge. I say that they, according to their belief, are doing what they think they must to be pleasing to God so who can fault them; just as Muslims are doing what they feel they must in order to be pleasing to God and I only find fault with them when they, by their teaching, condone killing others for the sole purpose that they do not share their beliefs. Let God do the punishing... it is only for Him to do.I will always stand by, that it is only for God to judge the heart... only God can know what pleases Him. If anyone is misguided God will judge on the day of judgement. It is not for man to know or decide.If Christians follow Jesus and Jesus is wrong, then the Jews are right and God is pleased with them.If Jesus is the correct way to God, then the Jews, and the Muslims, are in error, and God will not accept them into heaven.But only God knows all Truth.Salaam [IMG]smileys/smiley1.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Smile" /> [/QUOTE] Caringheart, I answered what I believe to be my understanding based on what God has revealed. If any reject God's beloved prophets, whom God sent for a specific purpose does not please God. If they (the prophets) were not needed, or their arrival with the word of God was of not much importance, and without purpose, why would God send them then anyway and give them His word? I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other. If we try to understand the scripture we find verses that actually support the fact I just described above. Jesus (pbuh) for example is quoted to have said: John 15:22 "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin." This is what Jesus is quoted to have said of Jews in the Bible: Matthew 23: 29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started! 33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Are you saying that this is not what Jesus really meant? Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets. Hasan Edited by honeto - 26 July 2012 at 2:21pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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tom007 Male Islam Starter. Joined: 21 March 2011 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 6	Posted: 26 July 2012 at 10:45pm
	Dawa for muslims - to help spread islam in china - the world next super power!! do u want a muslim super power in this world - CHINA -help to spread islam in china! Currently, chinese-muslim population is fixed for the last 30 year in china. the christian population has grown 1000 fold - and increasing... mainly rich christian countries and charirties are spending annually 100s of billions into china to convert into christianity.... Muslims must do the same - copy our christian brothers - give china a second religious option to choose from... Do some things similar to christians - PECEFULLY spread islam in china - print millions of chinese-koran and distribute to every village in china, build mosques and give money to poor and ask for convert to islam, build large mosque in large city to attract influntial people, hire 1000s of muslin missionary worker to go door to door, in parks, etc - to talk about islam and give out the koran -
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 27 July 2012 at 6:52pm
	*Originally posted by tom007* do u want a muslim super power in this world - This is what is objectionable in your belief.(you personally) Self serving, self-seeking. If you want to serve God, serve God, but it does not serve God to pit his people one against another... this only serves the purposes of the devil, which is to destroy all of God's creation. Think about who you are serving. If we are all serving God what does it matter whether we are Muslim or Christian or Jew? We should only want to serve God in love. Pitting yourself against another does nothing to save God's creation.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 27 July 2012 at 7:07pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* I do not believe all or any of the prophets, Moses, David, Jesus or Mohammed (pbut)were wrong. But each were sent at times in succession like a chain or warners one after the other. Like I have said, there are bonds of love through humanity toward all, but brotherhood is for believers, who believe in God and all of His books and all of His beloved prophets. Hasan Is it possible that messengers have come as they were needed, to bring the message in the form that it was needed, at the time that it was needed? Moses for the Jews Jesus for the gentiles Muhammad for the Arabs each having their own purpose? Regardless of how you look at it we are all believers in what we believe is the same God. You believe your God is the same as my God do you not? So then, do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly? Do we not belong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin? Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth?
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 01 August 2012 at 5:06pm
	funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew. It is true that our intention may be same to serve God. A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book. Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded. Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong. Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran, there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him. Edited by honeto - 02 August 2012 at 8:15pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 03 August 2012 at 4:54pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* funny thing is Christian say Jesus was a Jew. It is true that our intention may be same to serve God. A Hindu say he is worshiping one God, but in action we see he worships to idols of clay and stone as I have shown through picture under "infidel". A Christian says he worships one God, but he made a trinity where he includes in his worship two of God's creations: Jesus, a man of God, and Holy Spirit, a creation of God both serve God as commanded. Also some of them make idols of living beings, and they adore them and bow down to them in worship. Something they were forbidden to do in their very own book. Only Jews and Muslims, and off shoots thereof. worship the one and only God and none else. Nor they make idols of any living thing nor they bow to them as God commanded. Remember it is our actions, how we go about worshiping and serving that one God we all profess that will make the difference of being right or wrong. Also remember, according to the Bible and the Quran, there is only one mistake God has said He will never forgive, it is if we die worshiping others beside Him. You dismiss, or forget, or do not know of? ... Sikhism which worships one God. Do we not serve the same God even if we do it imperfectly? Do we not belong to the same Father even if we are sinners not meaning to sin? Do you not attribute too much to man when you think he has the ability to perfect himself on earth? Edited by Caringheart - 03 August 2012 at 4:57pm
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