[/QUOTE]But what does all that mean?  Can you tell me what it means, in your own words?

It means the oneness of God Almighty who has neither a beginning nor an ending,he has no parents no children and he eats no food.He feed you but does not need to be fed.That is what is meant by nothing like him.       
and if I say I believe in one God but do not deny Jesus because I see no difficulty in God and the Son being One?
Your Bible tells you not to believe that God has a son.I quote" Thou shalt have no other gods before me"


As regards "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above..."  nor bow down to them...I see the problem.and if I say that I do not bow to, or serve, any image of God, or anything other than God Himself?
not forgetting the cross,then you submit to God and you cannot help being a Muslim.Islam means the submission to the will of Allah.What ever you lable yourself it does not matter you are still a Muslim.

In the same way do not Muslims bow down to the Kabba...
No we do not.In fact many people do not even get to go to Mecca.

and to the 'holy rock' enclosed therein?
another no,the black stone is believed to have originated from heaven and it would be nice to touch it,but worship a black stone would be st**id don't you think so?ask any Muslim if they worship the kaaba or the black stone and listen to the answer.

Wouldn't Muslims say that they are only bowing to God?

that is correct i am glad you have been asking.You got the same answer we bow only to Allah and nothing else.

and yet they face the east, the kabba, the rock.
In South Africa i face North, the Kaaba is used as a direction so that people do not do their own thing and it brings the human heart to except the rule of law and order into our lives.If we do not obey tomorrow you would have people facing the toilet and pray.


  Isn't God everywhere?
Yes he is,most certainly.


You are right, there is no proof, only belief.
Well you know we know their is a thing called air but you cannot see it,but you know for certain that if you do not breath it you will die but you still cannot see it.

  Only God can know all Truth.Only God can know the heart.[/QUOTE]


Al-'Aleem
(The All Knowing)

Caringheart,
but according to the Bible Jesus prayed to the Father or God: John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father..........".
John 20:17‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ According to this quote it is very clear that Jesus is declaring that he has a God. We all know only God does not have a God, because its God.
As far as why was Jesus put on the cross you said because he said "I and the Father are one", according to the Bible there is conflict on that: Matthew 27:37
Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS!
As far as comparing Muslim's worshiping God by facing toward the Kabba as a universal oneness to Christians bowing down to beautifully handmade statues of people and other living things is taking easy way out to the issue. There is no comparison. We go to our Mosque for Friday or any daily five worship service, there is no statue in front of us to bow down to there is no Kabba in front of us here in Texas nor we have made a replica of it in each of our mosques, except the universal direction we all follow. This was a practice followed by God's prophets of the old, mentioned in the Bible as well to face the direction of Holy Temple in Jerusalem, the first direction Muslims used to follow in worship, later changed by God's command toward Holy Kabba. There is no comparison my friend, honestly. Have you ever entered a Catholic church, I have and I can tell you there are statues or paintings of living things, mostly humans all around, everywhere, even on the ceilings. People, kissing, kneeling, praying with their head bowed to them just like you see Hindus and Buddhists do in front of their statues. I have even seen people avoiding to trun their back toward these statues to not to disrespect them. No comparison my friend.

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 04 July 2012 at 5:16pm

Thank you.  I appreciate your clear and honest reply.I will answer these two things:I have no other gods before me.  ("I and the Father are One"... this is what Jesus said... this is why the Jews and Romans had him killed... or let's say, tried before Pontius Pilate, since you do not believe that He was killed.)  Jesus is not a god before God... Jesus is God in the flesh created(or begotten) as a Son.  This is what I am told by the prophets.  This is what I believe.In the same way that you say bowing to the Kabba and the rock is not bowing down to anything other than God... because it is in your heart by your belief that you are bowing to God... it is the same with Christians.Asalamu aleykum
       (I hope I got that salutation correct?)  :-)[/QUOTE]


("I and the Father are One"... one in what??????You have quoted out of context.This story starts in Solomon s porch.Here is the context,without the context you cannot read this verse.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

If you read the context you will see Jesus say neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
one in this which is one in purpose.Not as you claim one in a sausage.



Jesus is God in the flesh created(or begotten) as a Son.

The word begotten means,Adj.     1.     begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation;
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; "biological child"

Is this your perception of God That he procreated and a child was born?????


Asalamu aleykum
(I hope I got that salutation correct?) :-)
Good start