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Posted: 08 July 2012 at 10:00pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

So following what you said...
What if a person is not convinced that Islam is the correct path and so chooses another path? Then he is not an infidel, correct?

In my understanding this is correct. If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel.

Heard from a scholar that these days we as muslims are blocking the light of Islam from non-beleivers, we are instruments casting a shadow, which prevents others from receiving the right direction from us.

you've posed a very good question, and muslims should do some deep thinking about their role in showing people the 'light' of religion.

[just hoping I wont be banned from this place for saying this

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Originally posted by Caringheart

Who gets to decide what a person "knows and understands"? I am guessing that if they choose a different path then they do not "know and understand" Islam to be the correct path.

It is only God, al mighty who knows the true states of hearts. Noone can decide if the one we are talking to is in misguidance after knowlege, or has not received true guidance in the first place.

Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena
wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.

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Posted: 09 July 2012 at 5:47pm

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
We go to our Mosque for Friday or any daily five worship service, there is no statue in front of us to bow down Hasan

Regarding the first of your comments, you and I have been over that one before.

Regarding the comment I included with this post;

"and I respect you for this"

There is much I respect about the Muslim way of life and worship.

As far as what other faith worshipers do... God knows what is in their hearts.

I myself agree with the no graven images, but I also do not believe many of these people worship them as idols in the way God was speaking of, just as you say Muslims do not worship a rock when they go and walk around the Kabba. It is what leads them to feel they are in the presence of God, that is all.

I can't say about the Hindu's or those with statues of Buddha what it is that they are worshiping. That is between them and their god, or gods... it is their own fate that rests in their own hands.

Blessings,

Caringheart

Caringheart,
of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is. Try to remember the story of the golden calf from the Bible and people worshiping it, and how it is addressed.
As far as you comment about Hindu and Buddhists worshiping hand carved images of living beings as a matter bewtween them and their god (s). I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable.
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:02pm

Originally posted by honeto

There is much I respect about the Muslim way of life and worship.

As far as what other faith worshipers do... God knows what is in their hearts.

I can't say about the Hindu's or those with statues of Buddha what it is that they are worshiping. That is between them and their god, or gods... it is their own fate that rests in their own hands.

Blessings,

Caringheart

Caringheart,
of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is.

As far as you comment about Hindu and Buddhists worshiping hand carved images of living beings as a matter bewtween them and their god (s). I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable.
Hasan[/QUOTE]

of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is.

and when I see people walking around the Kabba and chanting, that is how it can look to me... if I choose not to listen to what you tell me.

I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable.

I believe also in one God, however, it is their choice. No one can tell anyone what to believe. God has given free will and it means nothing if His people don't come to Him of their own free will and out of love. Could anyone tell you not to believe in Muhammad? No, you would have to make that choice yourself. You must come to your own conclusion. How can God want anything less than for us to choose Him of our own accord? It is not a thing to be forced. You have made your choice, they make theirs. They commit no crime against mankind in so choosing. Against God, maybe, but then God will judge at the last day... not us. I do not want it held against me because I killed where it was not my place to do so. Nor do I believe that any man has the right to think he can judge me, and what is in my heart, and who I belong to.
Is God a God of blood letting? Who is it that wants to destroy God's creation? What is the best way to accomplish this? By turning God's creation one against the other.
All must walk their own path to God.

I would like to find our common ground so that we may all come into enlightenment and foil the devil's plans. Heart

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Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:30pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

Originally posted by Caringheart

Ok, I have learned that the word infidel never appears in the quran, rather the word unbeliever or idolator.
So I still have the question, I would like to know how Muslims define these terms. Who, have they been taught, is the unbeliever?

Unbeliever in islam is one who does not believe in the message of the Quran, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as His messenger.

Originally posted by Caringheart

Who is the idolator?

One who worships idols and multiple gods.

Originally posted by Caringheart

what is required by being a follower of Islam?

For a Muslim it is required to believe in God, His angels, His books (all the devine books including the last one, which is the Quran), his messengers (all of them from Adam to Muahmmad - peace be upon them), the judgement day and after life.

hope this helps. [this was an easy quiz

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Hi Nausheen,
All these answers bring me back to the original question...
How can a non-Muslim expect to be treated by a Muslim...
Since a non-Muslim does not believe in Muhammad... this makes them an unbeliever... in the eyes of Islam
and this is important because it is in the eyes of Islam only.
Since the Hindu's worship many gods... this makes them idolators... in the eyes of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism

I think it is interesting that the Hindu's, those that worship many gods, do not care about people who worship one God... do not care what they do;
and Buddhists do not trouble themselves with those that worship one God.
Just an observation

What then is required of a follower of Islam? How is a follower of Islam required to treat a non-Muslim.... the unbeliever, in their eyes... the idolator, in their eyes; according to Muhammad, according to Islam, according to the Qur'an?
and can the same treatment be expected in Islam everywhere?
These are the questions that need to be addressed. Are we for peace or against it?
It is satan who wants God's creation to destroy itself.

These are rhetorical questions as I know you can not have all the answers and I have appreciated your other responses. I am giving 'food for thought' for others.
I think you and I have like minds of what is the ultimate goal which needs to be aimed for.
The question becomes, how is it achieved.

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Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:42pm

Originally posted by Nausheen

In my understanding this is correct. If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel.

you've posed a very good question, and muslims should do some deep thinking about their role in showing people the 'light' of religion.

[just hoping I wont be banned from this place for saying this

]

It is only God, al mighty who knows the true states of hearts. Noone can decide if the one we are talking to is in misguidance after knowlege, or has not received true guidance in the first place.

If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel.

or has not received true guidance in the first place

and what if someone has been presented the right view of Islam but
remains unconvinced...
unconvinced that it is the right path,
unconvinced of Muhammad and his message,
and convinced of a different path...
What then? Will Islam adhere to the "no compulsion in religion", or to another of Muhammad's teachings about the unbeliever?

These are the big questions for the non-Muslim. While Muslims are respected in their religion, others want the same for themselves.

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Posted: 12 July 2012 at 3:47pm

Caringheart,
circling around Kabbah or praying toward its direction is not same as bowing in front of a statue of a living thing. Praying toward house of God was a practice since Adam. We see part of this practice even in the Bible. May I....,
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
Genesis 35:14
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon.
Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Do you see the difference?
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 12 July 2012 at 4:09pm

Originally posted by honeto

Caringheart,
circling around Kabbah or praying toward its direction is not same as bowing in front of a statue of a living thing. Praying toward house of God was a practice since Adam. We see part of this practice even in the Bible. May I....,
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
Genesis 35:14
And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon.
Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
Do you see the difference?
Hasan

Greetings Hasan,

No I do not see the difference. God was greatly against the ashera poles. What makes the difference between Jacob's pillar set up before God and an ashera pole? Who says God approved? They are the same to me. It matters what is in your heart to worship. If God approved of Jacob's pole, or pillar, it was because of what was in His heart.

I do think the Muslim practice of bowing to God is Biblical( or Torah-cal?). What do you say then to all those in China who bow down to their gods? Is it not the same practice? What matters is what is in the heart.
Heart

Edited by Caringheart - 12 July 2012 at 8:44pm

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Posted: 14 July 2012 at 5:46pm

Caringheart,
it matters there are two parts to everything:
1-Intention
2-Practice
God has told us in the Quran and previous scriptures to watch for both. Every action will be accounted for as well as every intention.
So as much as one's physical bowing down in front of a representation of a living thing matters, so does the intention and in order to be 'correct' they must match.
Muslims do not make any representations of any living thing for the purpose of adoring and worshiping it. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians (not all), Pagans and idol worshipers carve, make, paint images of living things that God made, they beatify them, adore them, put them in high place, respect and worship them.
I offer my salat (schadule prayer and worship) five times
a day, not in front of a man made statue but a plain wall with no images or representations of any living thing, kneeling and bowing down in prostration to one who is the only one worthy of such service. Jesus (pbuh) did the same and all the prophets did before him. On the other hand when I see this, the action speaks for itself, intention only God knows. If the intention is to worship the Creator than it is obvious that the intentions and actions don't match of those in these images:
Image 1-Hindu worshiping.
Image 2-Catholic worshiping.
Image 3-Buddhist worshiping.
(for some reason I could not paste these images, I will do that as soon as I figure that out)
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 14 July 2012 at 5:48pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Nausheen Female Islam Senior Member Senior Member Joined: 10 January 2001 Location: Japan Online Status: Offline Posts: 4146	Posted: 08 July 2012 at 10:00pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* So following what you said... What if a person is not convinced that Islam is the correct path and so chooses another path? Then he is not an infidel, correct? In my understanding this is correct. If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel. Heard from a scholar that these days we as muslims are blocking the light of Islam from non-beleivers, we are instruments casting a shadow, which prevents others from receiving the right direction from us. you've posed a very good question, and muslims should do some deep thinking about their role in showing people the 'light' of religion. [just hoping I wont be banned from this place for saying this ] *Originally posted by Caringheart* Who gets to decide what a person "knows and understands"? I am guessing that if they choose a different path then they do not "know and understand" Islam to be the correct path. It is only God, al mighty who knows the true states of hearts. Noone can decide if the one we are talking to is in misguidance after knowlege, or has not received true guidance in the first place.
	Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 5:47pm
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* Caringheart, We go to our Mosque for Friday or any daily five worship service, there is no statue in front of us to bow down Hasan Regarding the first of your comments, you and I have been over that one before. Regarding the comment I included with this post; "and I respect you for this" There is much I respect about the Muslim way of life and worship. As far as what other faith worshipers do... God knows what is in their hearts. I myself agree with the no graven images, but I also do not believe many of these people worship them as idols in the way God was speaking of, just as you say Muslims do not worship a rock when they go and walk around the Kabba. It is what leads them to feel they are in the presence of God, that is all. I can't say about the Hindu's or those with statues of Buddha what it is that they are worshiping. That is between them and their god, or gods... it is their own fate that rests in their own hands. Blessings, Caringheart Caringheart, of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is. Try to remember the story of the golden calf from the Bible and people worshiping it, and how it is addressed. As far as you comment about Hindu and Buddhists worshiping hand carved images of living beings as a matter bewtween them and their god (s). I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:02pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* There is much I respect about the Muslim way of life and worship. As far as what other faith worshipers do... God knows what is in their hearts. I myself agree with the no graven images, but I also do not believe many of these people worship them as idols in the way God was speaking of, just as you say Muslims do not worship a rock when they go and walk around the Kabba. It is what leads them to feel they are in the presence of God, that is all. I can't say about the Hindu's or those with statues of Buddha what it is that they are worshiping. That is between them and their god, or gods... it is their own fate that rests in their own hands. Blessings, Caringheart Caringheart, of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is. As far as you comment about Hindu and Buddhists worshiping hand carved images of living beings as a matter bewtween them and their god (s). I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable. Hasan[/QUOTE] of course what is in someone's heart only God knows and what they worship etc. But we are talking what is clear and open idol worship. If there is a statue of a living thing created by man and someone is in front of it kneeling and respecting it, you need not to be a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on, nor you should be afraid of saying what it is. and when I see people walking around the Kabba and chanting, that is how it can look to me... if I choose not to listen to what you tell me. I believe there is only one God, and God does not like that others and idols be taken as god(s) and worshiped, a sin mentioned both in the Bible and the Quran as unforgiveable. I believe also in one God, however, it is their choice. No one can tell anyone what to believe. God has given free will and it means nothing if His people don't come to Him of their own free will and out of love. Could anyone tell you not to believe in Muhammad? No, you would have to make that choice yourself. You must come to your own conclusion. How can God want anything less than for us to choose Him of our own accord? It is not a thing to be forced. You have made your choice, they make theirs. They commit no crime against mankind in so choosing. Against God, maybe, but then God will judge at the last day... not us. I do not want it held against me because I killed where it was not my place to do so. Nor do I believe that any man has the right to think he can judge me, and what is in my heart, and who I belong to. Is God a God of blood letting? Who is it that wants to destroy God's creation? What is the best way to accomplish this? By turning God's creation one against the other. All must walk their own path to God. I would like to find our common ground so that we may all come into enlightenment and foil the devil's plans.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:30pm
	*Originally posted by Nausheen* *Originally posted by Caringheart* Ok, I have learned that the word infidel never appears in the quran, rather the word unbeliever or idolator. So I still have the question, I would like to know how Muslims define these terms. Who, have they been taught, is the unbeliever? Unbeliever in islam is one who does not believe in the message of the Quran, and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as His messenger. *Originally posted by Caringheart* Who is the idolator? One who worships idols and multiple gods. *Originally posted by Caringheart* what is required by being a follower of Islam? For a Muslim it is required to believe in God, His angels, His books (all the devine books including the last one, which is the Quran), his messengers (all of them from Adam to Muahmmad - peace be upon them), the judgement day and after life. hope this helps. [this was an easy quiz ] Hi Nausheen, All these answers bring me back to the original question... How can a non-Muslim expect to be treated by a Muslim... Since a non-Muslim does not believe in Muhammad... this makes them an unbeliever... in the eyes of Islam and this is important because it is in the eyes of Islam only. Since the Hindu's worship many gods... this makes them idolators... in the eyes of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism I think it is interesting that the Hindu's, those that worship many gods, do not care about people who worship one God... do not care what they do; and Buddhists do not trouble themselves with those that worship one God. Just an observation What then is required of a follower of Islam? How is a follower of Islam required to treat a non-Muslim.... the unbeliever, in their eyes... the idolator, in their eyes; according to Muhammad, according to Islam, according to the Qur'an? and can the same treatment be expected in Islam everywhere? These are the questions that need to be addressed. Are we for peace or against it? It is satan who wants God's creation to destroy itself. These are rhetorical questions as I know you can not have all the answers and I have appreciated your other responses. I am giving 'food for thought' for others. I think you and I have like minds of what is the ultimate goal which needs to be aimed for. The question becomes, how is it achieved.
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 09 July 2012 at 8:42pm
	*Originally posted by Nausheen* *Originally posted by Caringheart* So following what you said... What if a person is not convinced that Islam is the correct path and so chooses another path? Then he is not an infidel, correct? In my understanding this is correct. If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel. Heard from a scholar that these days we as muslims are blocking the light of Islam from non-beleivers, we are instruments casting a shadow, which prevents others from receiving the right direction from us. you've posed a very good question, and muslims should do some deep thinking about their role in showing people the 'light' of religion. [just hoping I wont be banned from this place for saying this ] *Originally posted by Caringheart* Who gets to decide what a person "knows and understands"? I am guessing that if they choose a different path then they do not "know and understand" Islam to be the correct path. It is only God, al mighty who knows the true states of hearts. Noone can decide if the one we are talking to is in misguidance after knowlege, or has not received true guidance in the first place. If someone has been presented the wrong view of Islam, and he does not accept it for that reason, then technically this person is not an infedel. or has not received true guidance in the first place and what if someone has been presented the right view of Islam but remains unconvinced... unconvinced that it is the right path, unconvinced of Muhammad and his message, and convinced of a different path... What then? Will Islam adhere to the "no compulsion in religion", or to another of Muhammad's teachings about the unbeliever? These are the big questions for the non-Muslim. While Muslims are respected in their religion, others want the same for themselves.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 12 July 2012 at 3:47pm
	Caringheart, circling around Kabbah or praying toward its direction is not same as bowing in front of a statue of a living thing. Praying toward house of God was a practice since Adam. We see part of this practice even in the Bible. May I...., Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime. Genesis 35:14 And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon. Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God. Do you see the difference? Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 12 July 2012 at 4:09pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* Caringheart, circling around Kabbah or praying toward its direction is not same as bowing in front of a statue of a living thing. Praying toward house of God was a practice since Adam. We see part of this practice even in the Bible. May I...., Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime. Genesis 35:14 And Jacob set up a pillar in the place where he talked with him, even a pillar of stone: and he poured a drink offering thereon, and he poured oil thereon. Leviticus 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God. Do you see the difference? Hasan Greetings Hasan, No I do not see the difference. God was greatly against the ashera poles. What makes the difference between Jacob's pillar set up before God and an ashera pole? Who says God approved? They are the same to me. It matters what is in your heart to worship. If God approved of Jacob's pole, or pillar, it was because of what was in His heart. I do think the Muslim practice of bowing to God is Biblical( or Torah-cal?). What do you say then to all those in China who bow down to their gods? Is it not the same practice? What matters is what is in the heart. Edited by Caringheart - 12 July 2012 at 8:44pm
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 14 July 2012 at 5:46pm
	Caringheart, it matters there are two parts to everything: 1-Intention 2-Practice God has told us in the Quran and previous scriptures to watch for both. Every action will be accounted for as well as every intention. So as much as one's physical bowing down in front of a representation of a living thing matters, so does the intention and in order to be 'correct' they must match. Muslims do not make any representations of any living thing for the purpose of adoring and worshiping it. Hindus, Buddhists, Christians (not all), Pagans and idol worshipers carve, make, paint images of living things that God made, they beatify them, adore them, put them in high place, respect and worship them. I offer my salat (schadule prayer and worship) five times a day, not in front of a man made statue but a plain wall with no images or representations of any living thing, kneeling and bowing down in prostration to one who is the only one worthy of such service. Jesus (pbuh) did the same and all the prophets did before him. On the other hand when I see this, the action speaks for itself, intention only God knows. If the intention is to worship the Creator than it is obvious that the intentions and actions don't match of those in these images: Image 1-Hindu worshiping. Image 2-Catholic worshiping. Image 3-Buddhist worshiping. (for some reason I could not paste these images, I will do that as soon as I figure that out) Hasan Edited by honeto - 14 July 2012 at 5:48pm
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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