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Topic: Islam is the enemy: US army!
Posted: 21 May 2012 at 12:39am

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Posted: 21 May 2012 at 11:24am

Not sure what you are complaining about here. The officer in question was removed from his assignment. His career is over. Try not to expand one officer to the entire US Military and everyone in the US. It's poor form

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Posted: 07 June 2012 at 9:19am

Abu Tamim, your effort to depict the American army in such an unfair way will fail. Islam is not the enemy of any Western army. Islam is not the enemy of any Western country. Islamists trying to fuel dissent and hatred between the West and Muslim countries are our enemy.

Edited by Matt Browne - 07 June 2012 at 9:20am

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Posted: 07 June 2012 at 3:00pm

Matt,

I agree that it is not the American or Western Armies, but you might agree that there are some politicians who have used these armies in recent history in a systematic way that may suggest Muslims if not Islam are the target.

Open invasions and destructions (physical and social)of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, and Pakistan. Undercover (through control of Military) destruction of Yaman and Egypt are just a few open examples and there is a lot of information and facts available on the net about them.

Army is just that, its the gun, the one who pulls the triger are elected officals who have agendas that might not represent the opinions of the masses. And that's where we aught to be careful and watchful.

Our politicians are not happy if there aren't 40=50 prople killed a day in these (Muslim) countries. My understanding is that one day this will come out as a systematic genocide, and it is. For the past two decades we have witenessed this on such a consistent basis that it does not make a headlines anymore, we are so used it now!

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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 12 June 2012 at 2:24am

Hasan, American soldiers were killed when they defended Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs. American soldiers risked their lives defending innocent Libyan Muslims against their dictator. American soldiers defended themselves against the Taliban who were supporting the mass murders of 911. All of this was done after decisions made by the United Nations. The second war against Iraq is an exception. There was no clear UN mandate, so the legal base was shaky. Germany, France and other Western countries opposed it. Yet the ultimate American motive for Iraq was not about an attack on Islam. It was about oil and it was about a mass murderer called Saddam who also slaughtered Muslims in his own country.

I don't agree with every American decision or with everything the American military does, but depicting it as the enemy of Islam is wrong and it will only fuel the hatred many Muslims feel against the West.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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Posted: 14 June 2012 at 1:52pm

Originally posted by Matt Browne

Hasan, American soldiers were killed when they defended Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs. American soldiers risked their lives defending innocent Libyan Muslims against their dictator. American soldiers defended themselves against the Taliban who were supporting the mass murders of 911. All of this was done after decisions made by the United Nations. The second war against Iraq is an exception. There was no clear UN mandate, so the legal base was shaky. Germany, France and other Western countries opposed it. Yet the ultimate American motive for Iraq was not about an attack on Islam. It was about oil and it was about a mass murderer called Saddam who also slaughtered Muslims in his own country.

I don't agree with every American decision or with everything the American military does, but depicting it as the enemy of Islam is wrong and it will only fuel the hatred many Muslims feel against the West.

Well said Matt. Every effort must be made to dispel, and defuse, misinformation. Thumbs%20Up

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Posted: 22 July 2012 at 11:41am

Originally posted by abu_tamim

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"The US Army’s fatwa that “America’s enemy is Islam in general, not just terrorists’’, is really very dangerous and highly provocative"

Hearing so many murderous rampage number of times in the past few years make this statement above sound hollow. Before Islam came into the scene they made the American Indian as their invented enemies. Once the Indian were overcome they turn to the north against south. Then Germany, then Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan. In the same time they are murdering the Pakistanis on daily basis, and now turning to Yemen.

James Holmes the JOKER, a bright student with no criminal record, and growing up in good family, what is the excuse now?

Edited by nothing - 22 July 2012 at 11:42am

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Posted: 22 July 2012 at 3:32pm

Nothing, I've read your post and do not understand your English.

"Hearing so many murderous rampage number of times in the past few years" What does this sentence mean???

"They turn to the north and the south"

What does this sentence mean???

Germany??? Certainly you aren't defending Hitler. Since that can't be what you are doing, what do you mean?

"In the same time they are murdering the Pakistanis on daily basis" Really, in the same time? Is that what you mean?

I think you should spend a little more time with your posts because your English is very confusing especially if you have some point to convey.

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abu_tamim Senior Member Joined: 13 August 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 174	Topic: Islam is the enemy: US army! Posted: 21 May 2012 at 12:39am
	ASAK Islam
	Khudi ko kar buland itna ki har taqdir se pehle Khuda bande se khud puche bata teri raza kya hai. www.drabutamim.blogspot.com www.shiningblades.blogspot.com
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 21 May 2012 at 11:24am
	Not sure what you are complaining about here. The officer in question was removed from his assignment. His career is over. Try not to expand one officer to the entire US Military and everyone in the US. It's poor form
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 07 June 2012 at 9:19am
	Abu Tamim, your effort to depict the American army in such an unfair way will fail. Islam is not the enemy of any Western army. Islam is not the enemy of any Western country. Islamists trying to fuel dissent and hatred between the West and Muslim countries are our enemy. Edited by Matt Browne - 07 June 2012 at 9:20am
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 07 June 2012 at 3:00pm
	Matt, I agree that it is not the American or Western Armies, but you might agree that there are some politicians who have used these armies in recent history in a systematic way that may suggest Muslims if not Islam are the target. Open invasions and destructions (physical and social)of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, and Pakistan. Undercover (through control of Military) destruction of Yaman and Egypt are just a few open examples and there is a lot of information and facts available on the net about them. Army is just that, its the gun, the one who pulls the triger are elected officals who have agendas that might not represent the opinions of the masses. And that's where we aught to be careful and watchful. Our politicians are not happy if there aren't 40=50 prople killed a day in these (Muslim) countries. My understanding is that one day this will come out as a systematic genocide, and it is. For the past two decades we have witenessed this on such a consistent basis that it does not make a headlines anymore, we are so used it now! Every life is valuable, everyone's life should be protected and every person should be delievered justice, equally. Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 12 June 2012 at 2:24am
	Hasan, American soldiers were killed when they defended Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs. American soldiers risked their lives defending innocent Libyan Muslims against their dictator. American soldiers defended themselves against the Taliban who were supporting the mass murders of 911. All of this was done after decisions made by the United Nations. The second war against Iraq is an exception. There was no clear UN mandate, so the legal base was shaky. Germany, France and other Western countries opposed it. Yet the ultimate American motive for Iraq was not about an attack on Islam. It was about oil and it was about a mass murderer called Saddam who also slaughtered Muslims in his own country. I don't agree with every American decision or with everything the American military does, but depicting it as the enemy of Islam is wrong and it will only fuel the hatred many Muslims feel against the West.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1310	Posted: 14 June 2012 at 1:52pm
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* Hasan, American soldiers were killed when they defended Bosnian Muslims against Christian Serbs. American soldiers risked their lives defending innocent Libyan Muslims against their dictator. American soldiers defended themselves against the Taliban who were supporting the mass murders of 911. All of this was done after decisions made by the United Nations. The second war against Iraq is an exception. There was no clear UN mandate, so the legal base was shaky. Germany, France and other Western countries opposed it. Yet the ultimate American motive for Iraq was not about an attack on Islam. It was about oil and it was about a mass murderer called Saddam who also slaughtered Muslims in his own country. I don't agree with every American decision or with everything the American military does, but depicting it as the enemy of Islam is wrong and it will only fuel the hatred many Muslims feel against the West. Well said Matt. Every effort must be made to dispel, and defuse, misinformation.
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nothing Senior Member Joined: 09 November 2008 Location: Andorra Online Status: Offline Posts: 360	Posted: 22 July 2012 at 11:41am
	*Originally posted by abu_tamim* ASAK Islam "The US Army’s fatwa that “America’s enemy is Islam in general, not just terrorists’’, is really very dangerous and highly provocative" Hearing so many murderous rampage number of times in the past few years make this statement above sound hollow. Before Islam came into the scene they made the American Indian as their invented enemies. Once the Indian were overcome they turn to the north against south. Then Germany, then Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan. In the same time they are murdering the Pakistanis on daily basis, and now turning to Yemen. James Holmes the JOKER, a bright student with no criminal record, and growing up in good family, what is the excuse now? Edited by nothing - 22 July 2012 at 11:42am
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schmikbob Male Agnostic Senior Member Joined: 27 June 2010 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 422	Posted: 22 July 2012 at 3:32pm
	Nothing, I've read your post and do not understand your English. "Hearing so many murderous rampage number of times in the past few years" What does this sentence mean??? "They turn to the north and the south" What does this sentence mean??? Germany??? Certainly you aren't defending Hitler. Since that can't be what you are doing, what do you mean? "In the same time they are murdering the Pakistanis on daily basis" Really, in the same time? Is that what you mean? I think you should spend a little more time with your posts because your English is very confusing especially if you have some point to convey.
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