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Quote DavidC Replybullet Posted: 15 September 2005 at 9:16am
Thank you, Rami. I was not aware of the Sunni Madhabs.

Good post and explanation.

I hope the tape released yesterday by Zarqawi declaring total war on Shiite
Islam will make some of the self-proclaimed mujahadeen reconsider their
spiritual position. My understanding is that in Islam it is forgiveable to be in
error, but if one is shown the truth and then rejects it one must repent or
suffer eternal consequences.
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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 15 September 2005 at 11:22am
Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem

These people are so unbelievable that you would think they are being paid to say such things.

If a person is ignorant of say the prohabition of drinking alcohol and he does then allah will not hold him accountable until he learns it, but having said that a person has the responsability to learn the fundamentals of islam called "fard al ain" ie obligatory islamic knowledge. So his not knowing can not be an excuse for the rest of his life.

Otherwise yes if they are informed of the truth and reject it they are accountable for there actions. There are clear prohabitions in islam about killing civilians and killing muslims, as stated in the fatwa above they are stated specificly by our prophet. These people also have an obligation to ask the scholars for the right course of acction but it seems they have taken matters into there own hands.

You might be interested in this article about the four schools of thought, it explains them and there history.



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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 17 September 2005 at 11:58pm
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Some types of knowlege in Islam only become obligatory and hence you are held accountable for not knowing are the Islamic knowdge on things you are involved in.

An example would be the knowledge about Marriage in Islam, prior to getting married you are not obliged to know it but once you prepare to get married it then becomes Obligatory upon the person to learn the rules and adab of marriage. Its similar for being involved in business and any other thing a person may involve himself in.

Needless to say it is the same with Fighting Jihad.
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Quote bakkah1 Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2005 at 8:55pm

What do you do when your enemy kills women and children?  As the US has done in the past, present and will do in the future.  They have wiped out entire cities of people, and now preach that they target only civilians.  Until the next time they have justification to break their own rules.

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell, — and worst indeed is that destination”

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Quote AhmadJoyia Replybullet Posted: 03 October 2005 at 12:48pm

My brother bakkah1 are you serious in your question?

First of all define your enemy?

Secondly even if it is true as you have defined, are you suggesting to do the same as the "bad" guys do? Then what is the difference? ?Clearly, this is not suggested by the verse you have quoted.

Thirdly, who has to define as when an individual has to take the law in his own hand? Reading Quranic verses out of their right context won't help this way.

Please read the whole surah "Att-Toba" with complete context under which this verse must be understood and not in isolation. Thanks

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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 04 October 2005 at 12:46am
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We dont behave as they do, The Quran and sunnah forbids killing women and children. Allah has set limits and this is one of them.

This what we shouldnt do quote verses of the quran against other versus of the quran and sunnah, as if Allah and his mesenger contradicted them selfs.

if i bring you another verse saying allah hates those who trangress all limits and bounds will you think there is a contradiction?

The Quran explains the Quran, strive hard against them but follow the limits allah has set, Not killing women and children is one of these limits.


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Quote bakkah1 Replybullet Posted: 29 October 2005 at 4:54am

I know and I agree, I just dont like the hyprocrisy of the west, when they throw atomic bombs on people and have ten of thousands more nuclear warheads waiting to be used, and deny those to Muslim nations, and speak of themselves as so highly that they only target combatants.

There is an underlying question of using any type of bomb.  That is a catapulted bomb does not know where it may land and who it may kill.  It may and does kill women and children.  So is that allowed Islamically or not?? Of course the enemy uses it, and justifies that they only target combatants, so is that the permission slip to use.  When you know the results do not match the intention.  You can only know who you are killing when in hand to hand combat with swords .  So it that the only weapon Muslims may use when its enemy has F-160 fighter jets and stealth weapons.  Of couse there is no declared war, but what to do when one is?

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Quote rami Replybullet Posted: 29 October 2005 at 9:00pm
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It is haram in Islam to kill using fire, as allah clearly states in the Quran that he is the only one who can punish with fire.

What kind of fighting do you imagine taking place where civilians live?

if the civilian ventures onto the battle field that is a different issue but your talking about taking the war to civilian areas which is not permisable unless you can ensure there safety.

these people who blow them selves up delibratly target civilians.
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