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Quote iec786 Replybullet Topic: CRUCIFIED OR CRUCIPLAYED
    Posted: 27 March 2012 at 9:39am
It is Easter in a few days.Here is some food for thought.



http://ia700306.us.archive.org/13/items/Shk_Ahmed_Deedats_Books/Crucifixion_Or_Cruci-fiction.pdf
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Quote iec786 Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2012 at 1:12pm
Easter has just past and not one single person refuted the book.Wow what a book.
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Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2012 at 7:50am
         AHMED DEEDAT'S CRUCIFIXION THEORY

              A Muslim Perspective from

                    MOHAMMED BANA

For many years Ahmed Deedat has been promoting a theory
that Jesus Christ was indeed crucified but was taken down
alive from the cross. This theory was first promoted in
his booklet "Was Christ Crucified?" and has recently been
perpetuated in his new booklet "Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction?"
We have often remarked that Mr Deedat has been promoting a
Qadiani theory, approved only by the Ahmadiyya Movement which
has been declared a non-Muslim minority sect in Pakistan.
His theory must be deplored by true Christians and Muslims
alike.
Readers will be interested to know that the same
opinion has been expressed by MOHAMMED BANA of Durban.
He says of Deedats theory:

Mr Deedat is fond of making lectures about other denominations
but very seldom on Islam. He seems to have a fixed notion
about Prophet Jesus' Crucifixion Theory. In his lectures he
hardly gave the Islamic viewpoint or seldom the Christian
viewpoint, thus confusing his audience. I believe he likes to
make the Qadiyanis of this country very happy by mostly giving
their viewpoint that Jesus after being put on the cross,
swooned. Now why should Mr Deedat tell his audience that Jesus
was put on the cross and he swooned because nowhere the
Qur'an speaks that Jesus was put on the crow and he swooned.
Mr Deedat is the only person who can tell us whether he is
preachhig either the Christian doctrine, the Muslim doctrine
or the Qadiani doctrine?"
               [MOHAMMED BANA,  "Allegations Confirmed", p. 3]

Mohammed Bana has rightly endorsed our complaint that the
crucifixion booklets published by Mr Deedat are contrary to
the teaching of both the Bible and the Qur'an and should be
rejected by Christians and Muslims alike.
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Quote iec786 Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2012 at 8:53am

Your post really made me laugh.

It seems to me that you have no idea what you are talking.

You just midlessly/blindly copied some material from anti-Islam site (most probably from anwering-islam or from articles of Gilchrist) without reading Honorable Deedat's actual books/arguments.

In 1986, the King Faisal Foundation awarded Honorable Ahmed Deedat, the King Faisal International Prize for SERVICE TO ISLAM, to a South African who is more or better known than many dignitaries in their own countries. This was the first time that this prestigious award has been awarded to a South African.

Now why should I or someone else listen to some unknown guy like muhammad Bana or bother to see what anti-Islam sites are spreading lies when I have direct access to Hon. Deedat's literature.

All Hon. Deedat's books, audio-video lectures and debates are available world-wide. And there are no copyrights on most of his literature.

A lot of people embraced Islam in the 80's and 90's after reading, listening and watching his video lectures and debates. A lot of muslims became preachers of Islam because obviously none of his arguments are against the Holy Quran. It is childish and foolish to even think that he would say anything contrary to the Holy Quran.

The whole Jihad of his propagation was to prove that the Holy Bible per se is not the Word of God and Holy Quranic view is right and Biblical view of Jesus Christ's crucifixion is actually cruci-fiction.

In order to prove fallacy of the Biblical view, he examines carefully the internal evidence of the Bible then raised intellectual and logical questions based on clearly evident contradictions found in the Biblical narrations. So in the process if he qoutes some verses from the Bible, does not mean that, Biblical verses/narrations are accepted as facts.

Muslims are told in the Holy Quran to ask for proof/evidence if they (christians/jews) are truthful. So in one of his books, Honorable Deedat says:

"In this treatise and others, we have used the Christians' own book of authority, the BIBLE, and his own logic, to refute his claims. This is the system which Allah Subha nahu Wa Ta'aala uses when reasoning with His creatures.

The Holy Qur'an commands the Muslim to demand from the Jews and the Christians their authority for their fanciful claims that "SALVATION" is exclusively their right.

It says: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." (Holy Qur'an 2:111)

The Christian has already reproduced the Bible in over a thousand languages and broadcasts it to the four corners of the globe, terrifying the nations of the world to accept the "BLOOD OF THE LAMB", that Christ died for the sins of mankind, that he (Jesus) is the only saviour. All this is against the clear evidence of his own Holy Book.

We must free him (the Christian) from his illusions, and there is no better way than to use his own evidence, his own logic, to refute his claims." ( http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html - http://jamaat.net/stone/TheStone.html )

The purpose of qouting Biblcal verses is nothing but to show and prove the fallacy of Christians' misunderstanding and misconceptions. And once it is proved that crucifixion was actually a fiction, then you have no other option but to accept the Holy Quranic view and that is : "THEY KILLED HIM NOT, NOR CRUCIFIED HIM".

I have read and watched almost all of Honorable Deedat's video lectures+debates. There are atleast three major debates on the subject of Crucifixion, and they are with Dr. Robert Douglas (USA), Professor Floyd E. Clark (at Royal Albert Hall, U.K) and Bishop Wakefield (Canada) and in all these debates he proved that Christ (pbuh) did not die, based on Biblical internal evidence.

When I read your (sraphine) post, I laughed because your post makes no sense and you copied some misinformations from anti-Islamic, and bias site mindlessly by spamming the internet.

Honorable Deedat's literature certainly proves that:

- Bible per se is not the Word of God,

- Jesus Christ (pbuh) was not God,

- he never claimed to be God, and

- he did not die on the Cross.















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Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2012 at 5:22am
Your reply is very confusing.  I suspect you haven't read Deedat's book and have no idea of what it contains, correct?
 
If you have read it, please provide us with a short 3 or 4 sentence summary of what the book claims.  How do you explain the fact that his book contradicts the Koran, in particular verse 4:157?
 
When the writings of Deedat contradict the Koran, which source to you consider to be correct, Deedat or the Koran???
 


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Quote iec786 Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2012 at 10:33pm
When the writings of Deedat contradict the Koran

Show it to us.

I was Deedats student.stop being childish Grow up.

If you feel so strong about the debate let us debate the book,if you have the gall.
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Quote honeto Replybullet Posted: 22 May 2012 at 8:57pm
I have read and watched Br. Deedat on various topics and his evidence is pretty strong. I do not see anyone sucessfully debating against him. Like brother ice says, let us debate if any one have any proofs against him or his work.
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39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 03 June 2012 at 11:05am
iec786 and honeto, what is your explaination of the following passage from the koran:
 
...and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; and, verily, those who hold conflict­ing views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere con­jecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him: nay, God exalted him unto Himself... surah 4:157-158
 
Did a crucifixion take place?  And, if it did, who was crucified if not Jesus?


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