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bullet Posted: 25 September 2005 at 4:15am
Originally posted by firewall

bismillahi rahmani raheem,

honestly, i truly rejects Jazz blasphemies on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never solicits violence & hatred. he never attacks people. the time muslim brave to fight, is only when we're being attacked. Allah have made it clear that muslims have NO WAY to attack other peaceful people, be it muslim or non muslims.


Hello Firewall,

Do you think all this cursing (in the following ayats) has anything to do with hatred?

Or do you think that cursing means to love?

According to Mohammed's "revelations", here we have the creator of the entire creation who has to curse people and have mere men carry-out punishments..........do you really think that almighty God need men's help or needs to curse people simply because they did not believe that Mohammed was a prophet as he claimed?

Why would not such an almighty god simply just wipe-out and destroy these alleged enemies of god himself and be done with it?..............was God not capable?

Quran:

The Cow

  1. [2.88] And they say: Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.
  2. [2.89] And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.
  3. [2.159] Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too).
  4. [2.161] Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;

The Family of Imran

  1. [3.61] But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.
  2. [3.87] (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, all together.

The Women

  1. [4.46] Of those who are Jews (there are those who) alter words from their places and say: We have heard and we disobey and: Hear, may you not be made to hear! and: Raina, distorting (the word) with their tongues and taunting about religion; and if they had said (instead): We have heard and we obey, and hearken, and unzurna it would have been better for them and more upright; but Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief, so they do not believe but a little.
  2. [4.47] O you who have been given the Book! believe that which We have revealed, verifying what you have, before We alter faces then turn them on their backs, or curse them as We cursed the violaters of the Sabbath, and the command of Allah shall be executed.
  3. [4.52] Those are they whom Allah has cursed, and whomever Allah curses you shall not find any helper for him.
  4. [4.93] And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.
  5. [4.118] Allah has cursed him; and he said: Most certainly I will take of Thy servants an appointed portion:

The Dinner Table

  1. [5.13] But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others).
  2. [5.60] Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.
  3. [5.64] And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.
  4. [5.78] Those who disbelieved from among the children of Israel were cursed by the tongue of Dawood and Isa, son of Marium; this was because they disobeyed and used to exceed the limit.

The Elevated Places

  1. [7.38] He will say: Enter into fire among the nations that have passed away before you from among jinn and men; whenever a nation shall enter, it shall curse its sister, until when they have all come up with one another into it; the last of them shall say with regard to the foremost of them: Our Lord! these led us astray therefore give them a double chastisement of the fire. He will say: Every one shall have double but you do not know.
  2. [7.44] And the dwellers of the garden will call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have found what our Lord promised us to be true; have you too found what your Lord promised to be true? They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out among them that the curse of Allah is on the unjust.

The Immunity

  1. [9.68] Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.

The Holy Prophet

  1. [11.18] And who is more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah? These shall be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses shall say: These are they who lied against their Lord. Now surely the curse of Allah is on the unjust.
  2. [11.60] And they were overtaken by curse in this world and on the resurrection day; now surely Ad disbelieved in their Lord; now surely, away with Ad, the people of Hud.
  3. [11.99] And they are overtaken by curse in this (world), and on the resurrection day, evil the gift which shall be given.

The Thunder

  1. [13.25] And those who break the covenant of Allah after its confirmation and cut asunder that which Allah has ordered to be joined and make mischief in the land; (as for) those, upon them shall be curse and they shall have the evil (issue) of the abode.

The Rock

  1. [15.35] And surely on you is curse until the day of judgment.

The Children of Israel

  1. [17.60] And when We said to you: Surely your Lord encompasses men; and We did not make the vision which We showed you but a trial for men and the cursed tree in the Quran as well; and We cause them to fear, but it only adds to their great inordinacy.

The Light

  1. [24.7] And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allah be on him if he is one of the liars.
  2. [24.23] Surely those who accuse chaste believing women, unaware (of the evil), are cursed in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

The Narratives

  1. [28.42] And We caused a curse to follow them in this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be of those made to appear hideous.

The Spider

  1. [29.25] And he said: You have only taken for yourselves idols besides Allah by way of friendship between you in this world's life, then on the resurrection day some of you shall deny others, and some of you shall curse others, and your abode is the fire, and you shall not have any helpers.

The Clans

  1. [33.57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Apostle, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
  2. [33.61] Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.
  3. [33.64] Surely Allah has cursed the unbelievers and has prepared for them a burning fire,
  4. [33.68] O our Lord! give them a double punishment and curse them with a great curse.

Suad

  1. [38.78] And surely My curse is on you to the day of judgment.

The Believer

  1. [40.52] The day on which their excuse shall not benefit the unjust, and for them is curse and for them is the evil abode.

Muhammad

  1. [47.23] Those it is whom Allah has cursed so He has made them deaf and blinded their eyes.

The Victory

  1. [48.6] And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women, and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women, the entertainers of evil thoughts about Allah. On them is the evil turn, and Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and prepared hell for them, and evil is the resort.

The Scatterers

  1. [51.10] Cursed be the liars,

The Covered One

  1. [74.19] But may he be cursed how he plotted;
  2. [74.20] Again, may he be cursed how he plotted;

He Frowned

  1. [80.17] Cursed be man! how ungrateful is he!

The Folded Up

  1. [81.25] Nor is it the word of the cursed Shaitan,

The Celestial Stations

  1. [85.4] Cursed be the makers of the pit,

Originally posted by Firewall


Sahih Bukhari, 9:93:473
Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said, "Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind."


sahih al-Bukari

كتاب المحاربي 06; من أهل الكفر والردة (The Book of Those Who Wage War Amongst the Disbelievers and Apostates)
No. 6380 - Narrated Anas:

  


The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of 'Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.

Originally posted by Firewall


Sahih Bukhari, 9:83:10
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "The biggest of Al-Kaba'ir (the great sins) are (1) to join others as partners in worship with Allah, (2) to murder a human being, (3) to be undutiful to one's parents (4) and to make a false statement," or said, "to give a false witness."


(2)

sahih al-Bukari

كتاب الرهن (The Book of Mortgaging)
No. 2349 - Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

  


Allah's Apostle said, "Who would kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf as he has harmed Allah and His Apostle ?" Muhammad bin Maslama (got up and) said, "I will kill him." So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to Ka'b and said, "I want a loan of one or two Wasqs of food grains." Ka'b said, "Mortgage your women to me." Muhammad bin Maslama said, "How can we mortgage our women, and you are the most handsome among the Arabs?" He said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." Muhammad said, "How can we mortgage our sons, as the people will abuse them for being mortgaged for one or two Wasqs of food grains? It is shameful for us. But we will mortgage our arms to you." So, Muhammad bin Maslama promised him that he would come to him next time. They (Muhammad bin Maslama and his companions came to him as promised and murdered him. Then they went to the Prophet and told him about it.

sahih al-Bukari

كتاب (The Book of Penalty of Hunting While on Pilgrimage)
No. 1734 - Narrated Anas bin Malik:

  


Allah's Apostle entered Mecca in the year of its Conquest wearing an Arabian helmet on his head and when the Prophet took it off, a person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is holding the covering of the Ka'ba (taking refuge in the Ka'ba)." The Prophet said, "Kill him."


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A false statement is a lie........yes?

Whether the lie is for good intentions or otherwise, a lie is a lie!

Now why would a prophet of God condone lying of any kind.

How could a person who says that lying is OK be trusted to not tell lies?

sahih al-Bukari

كتاب الصلح (The Book of Peacemaking)
No. 2519 - Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:

  


That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar."





 

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bullet Posted: 25 September 2005 at 11:58am

Thanks bro Jazz for your response, though grossly exasperating. Let us see as what you have presented, makes any sense?

Hi AhmadJoyia,

What aggressors?............there is no mention of aggressors in these ayats.

It sems to me to be an appeal to Mohammed's followers to fight, citing hypotheticals........the closest that any of these ayats comes to even suggesting an actual aggressor is...."why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?"...........note the "oppressed" is in parenthisis, and yest it still doesn't indicate any aggressors of any sort.

True that “(and oppressed)” is in parenthesis but it doesn’t mean it is not true, though my brother Jazz has not provided any alternate explanation of this verse. On the more, even if the words “and oppressed” are not considered, the meaning of the verse provides clear understanding that it refers to the aggressors wherefore, the verse is categorically appealing for the plight of “weak” and “ill-treated” people by those against whom fighting is being prescribed. It would be highly illogical, if nothing else, to construe that the fighting is but against the “weak” and “ill-treated” people themselves. Hence, the verse makes it very clear that the fighting is against those who are aggressors, even if we omit the words (and oppressed) from the translation.

On the more, it is strange that my brother Jazz didn’t bother to read ahead in the same verse (4:75) where the plight of these oppressed people is being conveyed to the Muslims. I.e. “…………….Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"

Isn’t this a mistake well observable that brother Jazz is making, despite his claim of impartiality?

Nevertheless, we move forward to his next attempt. Here he says 

On another point........why would an almighty God, creator of the entire universe and all that it contains, need or depend on mere men to fight in his "cause"?

Ok, my brother, though there are numerous ways to answer your this extremely simplistic question, however, I would simply ask is it not for people to help those who need help against aggressors? Leave it aside as how you define “cause” of Allah, the fact remain that Muslims are encouraged to stand on the moral principles of humanity even if the aggressors is multiple times stronger than themselves. If you have any trouble with this principle of Islam, do let me know, and shall see how to further elaborate it with reference to Quranic verses.  

Is not God capable?.......what did God do before he created man?........was God lesser before man got created?.....did God create man because he needed help?

O my dear brother Jazz, God doesn’t need our help at all. However, obeying Him implies helping him. Since He is Just, he loves just people. It is more of saying that to make someone happy, you listen and obey him. Prevailing justice on earth, helping poor even if it means fighting against the oppressor, are all what people can do to earn their good rewards. Even if you don’t believe in God, doesn’t this make sense to those who are humble and want to work for the humanity.

By saying that God needs the efforts of men, is to say that God is not capable.....can you not see a denial of God's capacity, a suggestion that God needs help that is asserted in these ayats?

Yes, God can do anything He wants, anytime He likes. But then, how would good people be distinguished from those who are wicked and oppressors?

Mohammed was inventing things when he claimed it was God's intentions to have people "fight in God's cause" to stir-up hatred and to invent an enemy for his followers, to justify in their minds violence against fellow humans, for the purpose of achieving his own personal aims…………….

Here it goes again, my brother Jazz, with emotions full of hatred without arguments of any logic. Is there any argument other than mere assertions? Probably one need to go into the early Islamic history as how and under what circumstances, prophet Mohammad had to migrate to Madina leaving his home town Mecca. People with too little knowledge about this are, of course, at the mercy of deceitful people who wants to project their own vested interests. I wish and I hope, my brother Jazz in not between anyone of them. Amen.
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bullet Posted: 25 September 2005 at 5:40pm
bismillahi rahmani raheem,

Originally posted by jazz

Or do you think that cursing means to love?


hello jazz. again i state this verse, Sahih Bukhari, 9:93:473 Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah:Allah's Messenger (PBUH) said, "Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind."

i suggest you learn the 99 Names of Allah. Allah can praise a good man, just as well as Allah can punish an evil man. the same principle goes for the creation of heaven & hell. do you think that hell means to love? so if you're truly a good man, then Allah's promise to you is to love & be merciful you. & that also goes for likewise.

the difference between a good human & a bad human is like the seer & the blind. they're not equal. Allah states:

Quran, 11:24 These two kinds (of men) may be compared to the blind and deaf, and those who can see and hear well. Are they equal when compared? Will ye not then take heed?

Originally posted by jazz

No. 6380 - Narrated Anas:


look at the section, jazz. that hadith is for Disbelievers at War with Allah and His Messenger. they attack, we fight back to defend ourselves. if you don't attack us, we would not fight you. need i to repeat again.

Quran, 4:90 Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened NO WAY for you (to war against them).

Originally posted by jazz

No. 2349 Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah


again the same principle. Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf is a wicked enemy who poses harm first. this result in the law that rules the death penalty for Ka'b. if he doesn't pose harm, he wouldn't be ruled to death. in this case, Muhammad bin Maslama (note: he's not Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]) volunteered to state the penalty on Ka'b. so he went to Ka'b. he even tested Ka'b, for a loan of 1 or 2 wasqs of food grains.

just for the grains, Ka'b demanded Muhammad bin Maslama's women & sons for mortgages! that's the heinous wicked nature of Ka'b. thus his evil nature was proven again, & plus his harmful ways, it's fair that Ka'b be ruled the death penalty.

Originally posted by jazz

No. 2519 - Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba


i don't really understand why you take this verse. maybe you think "inventing good information" is bad? it might just be the english translation of the word "inventing" itself, it doesn't capture the essence of the Arabic word maybe.



Jazz, pls note that killing with hostility towards peaceful people is a big sin in Islam. Allah Opens NO WAY for that. the recompense is hell. even in unintentional murder, be it on a believer or peaceful non believers, we must pay compensation to the deceased family & make repentance.

Quran, 4:92 Never should a believer kill a believer; but (if) by mistake, (compensation is due): If one kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.


even so, we do have laws that states the death penalty. even in the modern system, there are death penalties in the legal system. is such laws unacceptable?
the key is, if you don't break the law, there shouldn't be reasons for the law to turn on you. i.e. some countries even states the death penalty for drug traffickers. why? to preserve the country from drug trafficking. even if you're the nicest person, if you traffick drugs, the law states you will be given the death penalty.

with the Grace from Allah, i hope you understand.
& i seek refuge in Allah from errors, may Allah Helps me & others towards the truth. wallahu a'lam.


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bullet Posted: 27 September 2005 at 12:34am

Originally posted by Firewall

look at the section, jazz. that hadith is for Disbelievers at War with Allah and His Messenger. they attack, we fight back to defend ourselves. if you don't attack us, we would not fight you. need i to repeat again.

Quran, 4:90 Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened NO WAY for you (to war against them).


The muslims must have had a lot of people attacking them, even all the way to Spain.

Do you really believe that Mohammed and his band of thugs only fought and killed in self-defence?

Have you seen this list?

Can you explain how is it that all these battles were in self-defence?

I have high-lighted a few of the places that were INVADED to show that Mohammed and his immediate chain of successors were not just sitting around being holy, peaceful people as you have asserted.
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622 - Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets more converts.
623 - Battle of Waddan
623 - Battle of Safwan
623 - Battle of Dul-'Ashir
624 - Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 - Zakat becomes mandatory
624 - Battle of Badr
624 - Battle of Bani Salim
624 - Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 - Battle of Bani Qainuqa'
624 - Battle of Sawiq
624 - Battle of Ghatfan
624 - Battle of Bahran
625 - Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 - Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 - Battle of Banu Nudair
625 - Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 - Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 - Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 - Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 - Battle of the Trench
627 - Battle of Ahzab
627 - Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 - Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 - Battle of Ghaiba
627 - Battle of Khaibar
628 - Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 - Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 - Battle of Hunsin.
630 - Battle of Tabuk
632 - Muhammad dies.
632 - Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 - Battle at Oman
633 - Battle at Hadramaut.
633 - Battle of Kazima
633 - Battle of Walaja
633 - Battle of Ulleis
633 - Battle of Anbar
634 - Battle of Basra,
634 - Battle of Damascus
634 - Battle of Ajnadin.
634 - Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 - Battle of Namaraq
634 - Battle of Saqatia.
635 - Battle of Bridge.
635 - Battle of Buwaib.
635 - Conquest of Damascus.
635 - Battle of Fahl.
636 - Battle of Yermuk.
636 - Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 - Conquest of Madain.
637 - Battle of Jalula.
638 - Battle of Yarmouk.
638 - The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 - Conquest of Jazirah.
639 - Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 - Battle of Nihawand
642 - Battle of Rayy in Persia
643 - Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 - Conquest of Fars
644 - Conquest of Kharan.
644 - Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
647 - Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 - Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 - Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 - Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 - Islam spreads into North Africa
656 - Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 - Battle of Nahrawan.
659 - Conquest of Egypt
661 - Ali is murdered.
662 - Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 - Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 - Siege of Constantinople
687 - Battle of Kufa
691 - Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 - Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 - Military campaigns in North Africa
702 - Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 - Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 - Conquest of Spain
713 - Conquest of Multan
716 - Invasion of Constantinople
732 - Battle of Tours in France.
740 - Battle of the Nobles.
741 - Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 - Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 - Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 - Battle of Rayy.
749 - Battle of lsfahan
749 - Battle of Nihawand
750 - Battle of Zab
772 - Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 - Battle of Saragossa in Spain
 

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bullet Posted: 27 September 2005 at 2:50am

salam to all muslim and good people

these guys are trying to portray us as killers

and they post messages like these, their goal is to have others who are interested in islam (and alhamdou li Allah, they are many) get discusted and give up their quest in knowing the truth

so please brothers and sisters let not these message with out replay

and the best way is an ayat or two from yousuf ali translation of the Holy coran having relation with the question being reased

jazz said

Do you really believe that Mohammed and his band of thugs only fought and killed in self-defence?


islam is always for peace bu when evil tries to overcome and dominate good, muslims strik back, they strike back not because they want to steal the land richess or because they carry hatred and racisem in their heart, but to let good dominete evil 

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bullet Posted: 30 September 2005 at 7:43am
Originally posted by Jazz

Do you really believe that Mohammed.. only fought and killed in self-defence?


YES. for battles during Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) life time, i'm 100% guarantee it is the case. i guarantee the righteousness of TRUE, PRACTISING MUSLIMS, to defend themselves because that's the law as stated in the Quran.

honestly Jazz, i think you might be biased via negative portrayals of muslims & maybe your own biased persecption. i once watched a documentary & they depicted muslims as invaders, whereby the leader take harems & marry hindu princesses as to govern lands. i was just as appalled as anybody would be! if i don't know any better i'd hate the muslims too. but true muslims dont' do that! so i hope you can distinguish between true muslims & ppl who don't follow the Islamic law.

TRUE MUSLIMS follow the Quran, & the Quran states there is NO WAY to fight peaceful people. true muslims fight in defence. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) fight in defence.

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O my dear brother Jazz, from your list, as I see none being highlighted during the life time of Prophet Mohammad, I assume now you very well know the background of these battles.

It really doesn't matter to me much as what people after him had been doing. Simply because, I don't consider them to be anything but humans only. This is starking different than what Prophet Mohammad was, a human messanger of God same as those Prophets who came before him.

 

 

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Originally posted by AhmadJoyia

O my dear brother Jazz, from your list, as I see none being highlighted during the life time of Prophet Mohammad, I assume now you very well know the background of these battles.

It really doesn't matter to me much as what people after him had been doing. Simply because, I don't consider them to be anything but humans only. This is starking different than what Prophet Mohammad was, a human messanger of God same as those Prophets who came before him.


Hi AhmadJoyia,

Starting from the top of the list.

Leading-up to "The Battle of Waddan", one can see that Mohammed was intent on hostilities against the Makkans......it was pay-back time......he had gathered what he considered as sufficient forces to hopefully become successful as an aggressor and to expand his empire.

In January 623, barely six months after the Hijrah, the Muslims launched their first raid to intercept a Makkan caravan traveling north to Syria. The Muslim force consisted of forty riders under the command of Hamzah, the Prophet's uncle. The caravan was under the command of Abu Jahl. They met at al 'Is where Majdiy ibn 'Amr al Juhani separated them. At the same time, another Muslim force of sixty riders was sent to Rabigh, where a Makkan force of 200 led by Abu Sufyan had come to protect the caravan. The Makkans withdrew before the Muslims’ arrival and no engagement took place. Sa'd ibn Abu Waqqas, who shot the first arrow under Islam at Rabigh, was commissioned by the Prophet to probe for the Makkans deeper into the Hijaz. He had a force of only twenty riders. Sa'd returned without engaging the enemy. In June 623, another Muslim force set out for al Abwa' with the Prophet himself in command. They reached Waddan, but no Makkans were there to engage them in battle. The Prophet talked to Banu Damrah, the inhabitants of the locality, and caused them to join the Muslim alliance. In July 623, another expeditionary force marched against a Makkan caravan led by Umayyah ibn Khalaf, without success. In the autumn of the same year (October 623), the Prophet led another force to 'Ushayrah in the district of Yanbu'. The expedition produced no engagement,
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It was "convenient" for Mohammed's Allah to deliver "revelations" that promoted and justified the violent and aggressive attacks, by providing the "god-given" right to deem the "enemy" as enemies of "god's" cause, making the violence, looting, theft, enslaving, adulterous sexual abuse of captives and killing "legal".

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