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bullet Posted: 08 April 2005 at 5:18pm

Salam,

Probably this forum can propose Mr.JohnD to get Nobel Prize in math for his dedication.



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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 6:11am
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Salam,

Probably this is one of the reasons Muslims in the last 1000 years didn't go anywhere. Because everything is dedicated to research the magic of Islam (Quran, sunah etc).

Who have talent in math, they used it just to play around to find magical number about quran and parts of Islam.
Who has talent in other field also used for the similar thing.

Basically we are busy with the magical thing, probably this is the way Muslims are. It is very sad, huh. Other example when we learn about prophet migration (hijrah) the emphasize is on how the prophet escaped from his house that surrounded by his enemy, how the enemy didn't go into the Tsur cave, how Surakah's horse threw him up many times etc. Never mentioned that Prophet Muhammad had a plan and strategy, for example why the prophet went 5 miles to the south when Medina is in the north of makkah, also when he chose Ali bin Abi Thalib and Abdullah bin Abubakar as his spy to monitor his enemy activities before he continued the journey and so on.

One other example that just happened recently; during Aceh tsunami, tens of mosques were survive, many-many people came to the conclusion that "this is miracle, how Allah protect his own houses". But they didn't care to the fact that according to the Indonesian government's report there were 2704 other mosques were destroyed. So the number of the mosques were survive is nothing compare to number the mosques were destroyed.

I have a close friend from Indonesia who offered a personal report to me.

Allah does not live in any Mosque/Masjid. Even though Al-Haram is called Al-Baitullah, Allah doesn't live there. I believe that the true House of Allah is the heart.

Dear blond, That's too naive. No Muslims ever think Allah has a house or anything. The house of ALLAH is the place we praise ALLAH and worship HIM. But HE will be there to listen HIS servants words.

Salaam

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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 7:38am
The number 289 is the Serpent at 17 x 17

The Bronze Serpent placed on a Pole by Moses shows the number 17
because 170 pounds x Pi is 534.070 pounds and the hardest bronze
called gun-metal weighs 534 pounds per cubic foot.

Whereas the protector serpent goddess for Delta Egypt is that of the
cobra at 17 days incubation.

And so to the protector vulture goddess of Narrow Egypt at 42 days
incubation + 17 is 59.

And 59 is thus the reference number for the Pharaoh's insignia worn on
his headdress, a symbol which says "I am a Ruler of Darkness"

Why 'Darkness' because the Bible tells us in Genesis that the Moon is the
symbol of a Ruler of Darkness, and thanks to the Book of Enoch (left out
of the Bible) the other Earth in the other set of four dimensions, has a
Moon with a cycle of 354 days or 6 periods of 59 days.

The early reference for the Knights Templar was 59, the Rulers of
Darkness.

Also the 'Fleur de Lis' is no flower but that of a stylized frog of the kings
of France of the Dark Ages.

And the Bible calls the three spirits that enter the human minds all over
the world that of demon frogs. For the three spirits come out of the
Dragon at 322, the Beast at 933 and the False Prophet at 515 which adds
up to 1,770 or thrice 590.

And the universal speed of gravity is 177,000 miles per hour or thrice
59,000 miles per hour. And gravity leads to the grave and all those frogs
hopping about.

And Adam at 1,260 + the serpent at 170 + 170 + 170 is 1770 or three
demon frogs.

And so on...
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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:03am

Originally posted by JohnDM

The number 289 is the Serpent at 17 x 17

The Bronze Serpent placed on a Pole by Moses shows the number 17
because 170 pounds x Pi is 534.070 pounds and the hardest bronze
called gun-metal weighs 534 pounds per cubic foot.

Whereas the protector serpent goddess for Delta Egypt is that of the
cobra at 17 days incubation.

And so to the protector vulture goddess of Narrow Egypt at 42 days
incubation + 17 is 59.

And 59 is thus the reference number for the Pharaoh's insignia worn on
his headdress, a symbol which says "I am a Ruler of Darkness"

Why 'Darkness' because the Bible tells us in Genesis that the Moon is the
symbol of a Ruler of Darkness, and thanks to the Book of Enoch (left out
of the Bible) the other Earth in the other set of four dimensions, has a
Moon with a cycle of 354 days or 6 periods of 59 days.

The early reference for the Knights Templar was 59, the Rulers of
Darkness.

Also the 'Fleur de Lis' is no flower but that of a stylized frog of the kings
of France of the Dark Ages.

And the Bible calls the three spirits that enter the human minds all over
the world that of demon frogs. For the three spirits come out of the
Dragon at 322, the Beast at 933 and the False Prophet at 515 which adds
up to 1,770 or thrice 590.

And the universal speed of gravity is 177,000 miles per hour or thrice
59,000 miles per hour. And gravity leads to the grave and all those frogs
hopping about.

And Adam at 1,260 + the serpent at 170 + 170 + 170 is 1770 or three
demon frogs.

And so on...

Hi John, Islam nothing to do with Goddes, serpent etc.Those calculation I refer to the forum is the LINK of numbers among the Important point of Islam.

Shalat (prayer) their numbers are related to Dhikr and also Al-Qur'an.Thing like this is a PROVE how Impossible for Muhammad the Prophet to control such thing.

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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:39am
Originally posted by semar

Salam,

Probably this forum can propose Mr.JohnD to get Nobel Prize in math for his dedication.

walaikum assalam,

I propose he read this site very carefully:

http://www.psyweb.com/Mdisord/jsp/schid.jsp

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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 9:52am

Assalamu alaikum,

In all seriousness, akhi, john's drivvel is not a new phenomenon. When I was a literary scholar, I was researching an eccentric poet who was also a mathematician. He was attempting to use linear equations to demonstrate mathematically predictable rhythms in history. He came up with a few interesting collations: the French Revolution occured 6 to the 6th power days before the russian revolution (which, to suit his own wacky theory, he changed to "3 times three to the power of 3 times 3). But as I went over his calculations concerning various events, it became clear that one can manipulate numbers to suit any theory, and further selectively choose events that support one's theory and exclude those that don't.

Leo Tolstoy, the great Russian thinker who rejected all the superstitions of the Christian Church, wrote a passage in War and Peace that mocks this stupidity very eloquently, demonstrating that a person can make numbers mean whatever he wishes:

One of his brother Masons had revealed to Pierre the following prophecy concerning Napoleon, drawn from the Revelation of St. John.

In chapter 13, verse 18, of the Apocalypse, it is said:

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

And in the fifth verse of the same chapter:

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The French alphabet, written out with the same numerical values as the Hebrew, in which the first nine letters denote units and the others tens, will have the following significance:

a       b       c       d       e      f      g     h     i     k
1       2       3       4       5      6      7     8     9    10
l       m       n       o       p      q      r     s
20      30      40      50      6      70     80    90
t       u       v       w       x      y      z
100    110     120      130     140    150    160

Writing the words L'Empereur Napoleon in numbers, it appears that the sum of them is 666, and that Napoleon therefore the beast foretold in the Apocalypse. Moreover, by applying the same system to the words quarante-deux, * which was the term allowed to the beast that "spoke great things and blasphemies," the same number 666 was obtained; from which it followed that the limit fixed for Napoleon's power had come in the year 1812 when the French emperor was forty-two. This prophecy pleased Pierre very much and he often asked himself what would put an end to the power of the beast, that is, of Napoleon, and tried by the same system of using letters as numbers and adding them up, to find an answer to the question that engrossed him. He wrote the words L'Empereur Alexandre, La nation russe and added up their numbers, but the sums were either more or less than 666. Once when making such calculations he wrote down his own name in French, Comte Pierre Besouhoff, but the sum of the numbers did not come right. Then he changed the spelling, substituting a z for the s and adding de and the article le, still without obtaining the desired result. Then it occurred to him: if the answer to the question were contained in his name, his nationality would also be given in the answer. So he wrote Le russe Besuhof and adding up the numbers got 671. This was only five too much, and five was represented by e, the very letter elided from the article le before the word Empereur. By omitting the e, though incorrectly, Pierre got the answer he sought. L'russe Besuhof made 666. This discovery excited him. How, or by what means, he was connected with the great event foretold in the Apocalypse he did not know, but he did not doubt that connection for a moment. His love for Natasha, Antichrist, Napoleon, the invasion, the comet, 666, L'Empereur Napoleon, and L'russe Besuhof- all this had to mature and culminate, to lift him out of that spellbound, petty sphere of Moscow habits in which he felt himself held captive and lead him to a great achievement and great happiness. (Book Nine, Chapter 17).

As for me, I'm going to spend the rest of the day doing what the Holy Qur'an truly enjoins: taking care of my family and trying to devote my life more fully to Allah, not trying to determine if the cosine of the cube root of the number of verses in Sura Baqara is equal to the factoral of my hat size.



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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 10:11am
Originally posted by defenders

Originally posted by Alwardah

As Salamu Alaikum

Sori I don't get this (post from Defenders)

Who assigned the numerical numbers or how are numerical numbers assigned to words of Dhikr etc like the quote below

 

The repetition of reciting Al-Fatihah /day is paralelel to the numbers of raka'ats /day. 17 - 17.
If you multiply 17 to 17, it will give you 289 which is the Numerical Value of "ALLAHU AKBAR".

Wa'alaikumsalaam br Alwardah.

That's what they call The Numerical Value

Please visit: http://numerical19.tripod.com/numerical_value.htm

In the time of the Prophet (saw). There are no Numbers like our numbers. They use LETTERS as Numbers. And that's sometime called ABJAD VALUE.

The total Abjad Value of ALLAHU AKBAR is :

Alif = 1, Lam = 30, Lam = 30, ha = 5, Alif = 1, Kaf = 20, Ba = 2, Ra = 200.

Total 289 ----2 + 8 + 9 = 19

If you have any questions regarding mathematical miracle, I'll be here to answer inshaALLAH.

Wassalammu'alaikum

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So does that mean i can say 289 and that is = to saying Allahu Akbar

I don't think so

“Verily your Lord is quick in punishment; yet He is indeed Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful (Surah Al-An’am 6:165)
"Indeed, we belong to Allah and to Him is our return" (Surah Baqarah 2: 155)
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bullet Posted: 09 April 2005 at 2:53pm

Moses was told by Jehovah that now the Exodus has happened he must
guide the Israelites time-wise by Moon time, that is lunar festival time.

And God made it easy for Moses to understand, but not some middle of
the road Anglican Christians, for God had set in place the Moon, and a
Moon at a maximum distance from the Earth of 252,000 miles. And as
days 252,000 days is 200 periods of 1,260 days, the Bible’s ‘time, times
and half a time’. And 126 is that of the spirit body, the 'man' inside men
and women.

G. Vermes writes:
“The Throne-Chariot was a central subject of meditation in ancient as
well as in medieval Jewish esotericism and mysticism, but the guardians
of the Rabbinic orthodoxy tended to discourage such speculation. The
liturgical use of Ezekiel's chapter on the Chariot is expressly forbidden in
the Mishnah; it even lays down that no wise man is to share his
understanding of the Merkavah with a person less enlightened than
himself. As a result, there is very little ancient literary material extant on
the subject, and the Qumran text is therefore of great importance to the
study of the Origins of Jewish mysticism.” The Dead Sea Scroll in English;
Second Edition; G.Vermes; p. 211

And so to the UFO Chariot in the first chapter of Ezekiel.

"Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a
great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness was all
around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the
midst of the fire. Also from within it came the likeness of four living
creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man.
Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. Their legs were
straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves' feet.
They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. The hands of a man
were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces
and wings. Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn
when they went, but each one went straight forward.
As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the
four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face
of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle.
Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each
one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. And each one
went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and
they did not turn when they went."

A man has the number 126 + 153 a son of God is 279. Plus a lion at 98 +
an ox at 287 + eagle at 44 = 708 at 12 times 59 a Ruler of Darkness.

And 708 + 2 sets of eagle's wings per 'face' at 4 x 44 x 2 sets is 352.

And 708 + 352 is 1060 and wheels turning thrice or x Pi thrice x 3 is
98,600. And the height of the Eiffel Tower is 986 feet and the Order of
Melchizedec is 106 x 3 at 318.

And so the UFO came out of Darkness, of the Order of Melchizedec.

And so on...
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