So here we are again as I said before, Islam does not teach that Jesus has a father, my question to you again is How can he ascend to his Father if he does not have one? You see the dilemma Muslims put themselves in by my misquoting the Gospel of Jesus.
I’ll wait for an answer.



Christ and Christians have already preached that and still does to this very today, so you’re not saying anything different you are just stalling at this point! Of course that invisible God in the heavens is named Jehovah not Allah!

Psalm 83:18

So, who is the father mentioned here, and who will the father testify for? You and Husan said . . .
I have given you the answer above, the Father is Jesus’ (S) God

But you also said Jesus has no father in the heaven, how could it be both? It is a very simple question does Jesus have a father or not? If so, who is he? Give me details don’t be afraid by diverting the question to something else or asking a question with a question, that is cowardly.


Edited by Kish - 01 February 2012 at 9:27am

Notice, "Jesus (S) said:

Ø “When the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which Proceedeth from the Father, he will testify of me.” (John 15:26 ) "

Jesus said he will send the Spirit of Truth. Making himself equal to the Father.

Edited by Hughes - 03 February 2012 at 9:10am

Muslims now finally admit that Jesus has a father and therefore he is the SON OF GOD!
Matthew 3:17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved

Luke 10:22 All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and who the Son is no one knows but the Father; and who the Father is, no one [knows] but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.

Christian like the Apostle Peter already knew this - 2 Peter 1:17, 18 : “This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.” 18 Yes, these words we heard borne from heaven while we were with him in the holy mountain.



Edited by Kish - 04 February 2012 at 12:32pm

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JESUS (S) REVEALED HIS TRUE IDENTITY TO HIS DISCIPLES

It is stated in Matthew 16:13-15:

Ø  “When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. 15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?” Matthew 16:13-15

  Very important question, he is about to let you know who he is.

Ø  V.16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matt.16:16

 Note: the word "Christ" is Messiah in Hebrew:

Ø   John 1:41 “He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ;” and in John 4:25-26 “The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. 26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.”

Having said that, let us look at the Verse17:

Ø  Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.V.18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Matt.16:17

 Note very important: Jesus (S) made his claimed that he is the Messiah (foretold in the OT.), the Son of the living God; he didn’t claimed he is God Almighty! 

When Jesus (S) mentioned, “he is the Messiah, the Son of the living God”, that does not mean God has a biological son or he is a part of God as Christians believe; they misunderstood Jesus (S) statement in context of his message. The bible clearly stated Adam (S) the first Man the God of the bible created is his son and anyone who led by the spirit of God is the sons of God; and Jesus (S) falls in that category.

The bible says:

Ø  “…Adam, which was the son of God.” Luke3:38  

Ø  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. ( Romans 8:14)

Jesus (S) was led by the spirit of God:

Ø  “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven..., and abode upon him.”(John 1:32)

Ø  "...I cast out devils by the Spirit of God then the kingdom of God is come unto you." (Matthew 12:28)

Ø   "I can of mine own self do nothing " (John 5:30)

Ø  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

JESUS (S) DECLARED WHERE WOULD BE THE CHURCH.

 Remember what Jesus (S) said in Matt.16:15-18? He said: “Bless art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

  Peter name was “Simon Bar-jona” and Jesus (S) change his name to “Peter” (Little Rock). The Rock represent Peter’s message; and upon this rock I will build my church. Peter was the only one knew who Jesus (S) was when he said: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,” he understood that anyone led by the Spirit of God is the Son of God.

Ø  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the Sons of God. (Romans.8:14)

Ø  “…the Lord hath said unto me, (David) Thou art my son: this day have I begotten thee.” (Psalms.2:7)

Jesus (S) was led by Spirit of God:

Ø  “And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven…and abode upon him.” (John.1:32)

Ø  …I cast out devil by the Spirit of God. Then the kingdom of God is come unto you. (Matt.12:28)

Ø  I can of mine own self do nothing… (John.5:30)

Ø  …I with the finger of God cast out devil… (Luke.11:20)

Ø  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. (Matthew 12:50) 

Peter testimony when address the Jews:

Ø  “Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, “a man approve of God” among you by miracles and wonders and sign, which God did by him in the midst of you, as you your self also know” (Acts 2:22)

And Jesus (S) said:

Ø  "I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him." (John 13:16)

Ø  Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.” (John 7:16)

Which Church teaches that Jesus (S) is a man approve of God? Islam!!

And he (S) said:

Ø  “And the gate of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Matt.16:18)

Jesus (S) conforms:

Ø  “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: V.30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” Mark 12:29-30

Ø  “For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.”  (John 12:49)

Ø  “I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.” (John.5:30)

And who is Jesus (S) Father? Jesus (S) said:

Ø  “…Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and my God, and your God.” (John 20:16-17 AKJV)

According to him, his Father is “OUR GOD and HIS GOD; He has a GOD, He said: “MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.”

         And the following verse he declared that he is not good only God is good, in reply to someone he (S) said to him:

Ø  "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)

From the above explanation we can conclude that Jesus (S) was not a biological son of God or a part of the God head as the Christ’s commentators lead the Christians to believe. He was the Messiah sent to the children of the house of Israel and they rejected him; so the church was removed from them (the children of Israel) and given to another nation [the children of Ishmael which is the seed of Abraham (S)].

 

TNC

Edited by truthnowcome - 05 February 2012 at 6:07pm