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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2012 at 2:15pm
Just thought I would weigh in with my thoughts...
Each individual country gets to set the laws of its land.  Essentially one would hope that its laws support majority vote of the people.  Either way those who choose to live in that country are subject to the laws of that country however they are set, and in democratic societies majority sentiment should rule.  Is Canada a majority Muslim country?  No... it is a country settled by the French and English and they are responsible for the established government system.  Anyone entering the country is then subject to that system.
My thoughts... respect the country in which you are given to live.
In Saudi Arabia(and other Islamic countries) non-Muslims have no rights or say, and they know that when they go there.  Just because a country is democratic does not mean minorities should be allowed to over run it.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 14 June 2012 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by abuayisha


   “Let there be no compulsion in religion.  Truth has been made clear from error.  Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks.  And God hears and knows all things.”  Quran- 2:256


This is so often cited by Muslims and yet actions speak louder than words.
The Muslims who quote it seem to miss the part about
"God hears and knows all things"
... not humans.

God is the One to judge whether a person's heart is true or false... not man.
If there is no compulsion in religion why is it a death offense in Islam for a person to choose not to be a Muslim?  On this point Muhammad contradicts himself.
Actions speak louder than the words when a person is killed for choosing what to believe.

Only God has the right to condemn.  Man does not 'know all things'.


Edited by Caringheart - 14 June 2012 at 2:27pm
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Quote peacemaker Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 7:59am
Caringheart: "If there is no compulsion in religion why is it a death offense in Islam for a person to choose not to be a Muslim?  On this point Muhammad contradicts himself."

Greetings!

This is incorrect. There is no death offense in Islam for a person to choose not to be a Muslim. To learn or discuss further this matter, please start a thread in a relevant section.
Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 12:23pm
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Caringheart: "If there is no compulsion in religion why is it a death offense in Islam for a person to choose not to be a Muslim?  On this point Muhammad contradicts himself."

Greetings!

This is incorrect. There is no death offense in Islam for a person to choose not to be a Muslim. To learn or discuss further this matter, please start a thread in a relevant section.


I do not wish to start a new thread.  It is relevant to this thread because I am responding to something another poster wrote in this thread.  They said that there is no compulsion in religion.  Is it not true that it is a death offense for a Muslim to leave his religion?
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Quote abuayisha Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2012 at 2:47pm
True when the verse was revealed within the same context of  High Treason .

The context of the verse was during wartime and one leaving his religion meant joining the opposing side in the conflict, thus committing treason.  No one is forced to become a Muslim and there is no imposition of the death penalty for apostasy. 

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Quote Wardah Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2012 at 8:42am
Well,  in western countries where people follow their hearts and even they are allowed to dress up in whatever way they want, and it does not matter how much of thier skin and even thier privat body parts are visible, than why thier is a restriction for the person who want to cover her body part even if it is a 'Face' ? it should not bother other people at all. How about a "turban" the people from Sikh religion wears it, does it not dehuminized the men??? I personally do respect all the religions and I do not mind when people want to follow thier religion or thier culture.
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Quote Caringheart Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2012 at 2:38pm
I am disappointed to see that many of my posts, which I put a great deal of time and thought into, have been deleted, so this is obviously not a forum for open discussion but rather a censored media.  I am disappointed that I can not find any site to have discussion with Muslims that is open to expression of all thoughts and sharing of all information to allow individuals to reach their own conclusions.  The Bereans were commended for always seeking the Truth in all things so they might know that they belong to the One God.

"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

I find it enlightening to observe the constant need for this censoring which you do not find in all places.  Some do not fear to have the truth tested.
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Quote Matt Browne Replybullet Posted: 22 July 2012 at 8:23am
You're wrong, Wardah. There are dress codes in Western countries. You can't walk around downtown naked. You can't enter a bank wearing a motorcycle helmet. You can't wear shorts in an expensive restaurant. A teacher can't teach her class wearing a bikini. You can't wear a t-shirt walking into a CEO's conference room. A pilot can't fly a plane wearing jeans. And so forth.

And because we do have dress codes, we don't want women wearing face veils in our countries. And we expect respect for our values and our dress codes. A Western female journalist in Iran does wear a head scarf, because that's the dress code there.

A turban doesn't hide the face.

I'm not a supporter of dress code laws. I would appreciate it if Muslim women don't wear face veils voluntarily and just cover their hair if they want to. Doing this they would show respect for our countries.




Edited by Matt Browne - 22 July 2012 at 8:29am
A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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