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abuayisha

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Topic: Muslim Women and 'Canadian Values'
Posted: 13 December 2011 at 6:55am

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“Allowing a group to hide their faces while they are becoming members of our community is counter to Canada’s commitment to openness, equality and social cohesion,” he explained. http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/nick-day/2011/12/we-hate-niqab-minister-kenney-and-barbara-kay-protect-canadian-value?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rabble-news+%28rabble.ca+-+News+for+the+rest+of+us%29

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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 8:02am

Face veils have no place in Western countries. They dehumanize women and this should not be tolerated. We want open communities where people can see each others faces.

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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 11:58am

Well Matt from an Islamic legal perspective I don't believe Muslim women must veil, however there is a difference of opinion on this matter. For those Muslim women who feel obligated to veil, and are doing there best to obey their religion; and in the interest of freedom of religious expression, why should it not be tolerated? Are Western countries not traveling a slippery slope of blatant religious discrimination? What next? Will having a long beard dehumanize men? Does a religious vow of celibacy dehumanize men and women?

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Posted: 03 January 2012 at 7:07pm

Originally posted by Matt Browne

Face veils have no place in Western countries. They dehumanize women and this should not be tolerated. We want open communities where people can see each others faces.

Matt Browne,

Such matters have already been explained to you at length. In spite of that, promoting these ideas is spamming the forum. If you have any concern, start a thread in a relevent section. Comply with the guidelines.

Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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Posted: 20 January 2012 at 5:43am

Disagreement is not spam. And it is not a violation of the guidelines. Mature people can handle dissent. The topic here is Canadian values. Such values include a society where everyone shows his or her face. I'm totally aware that many Muslims disagree with this particular value. We do have a clash of values here, no doubt.

A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad
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Posted: 23 January 2012 at 5:21pm

Muslim Group asks Government to expand Burka Ban

...According to reports in the National Post and the Toronto Sun, a prominent grassroots Muslim organization paid tribute to Kenney, Sunday at an event at a Toronto Hotel.

The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) hosted the shindig and threw praise at the Minister.

"You have taken a very courageous step in banning the burka from citizenship ceremonies," Farzana Khan, former MCC president, told the minister.

She then asked the minister to go a step further and introduce legislation similar to Quebec's Bill - 94 which essentially bars Muslim women from receiving or delivering public services while wearing a niqab...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/muslim-group-asks-government-expand-burka-ban-194129032.html

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Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:14pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Canadian_Congress

MCC endorses same-sex marriage legislation

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Matt Browne
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Posted: 24 January 2012 at 7:13am

This is very encouraging, Reepicheep.

This is how I view the issue:

Muslims demand respect for the Prophet. Well-meaning non-Muslims do show respect, for example by abstaining from drawing pictures of him. Well-meaning non-Muslims don't want to hurt the feelings of Muslims and rightly so.

Now non-Muslims also demand respect for their values, traditions and customs. Well-meaning non-Muslims do show respect, for example by abstaining from wearing face veils in Western countries. Well-meaning Muslims don't want to hurt the feelings of non-Muslims and rightly so. A society with people hiding their faces in public does hurt us. This creates very strong emotions. We want a society built on love, kindness, generosity and thriving communities. Our faces convey our emotions and help us interact with each other. Friendly faces do build trust.

Please respect our values too. And don't call our desire to protect our values spam. Be fair.

Edited by Matt Browne - 24 January 2012 at 7:14am

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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3992	Topic: Muslim Women and 'Canadian Values' Posted: 13 December 2011 at 6:55am
	“Allowing a group to hide their faces while they are becoming members of our community is counter to Canada’s commitment to openness, equality and social cohesion,” he explained. http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/nick-day/2011/12/we-hate-niqab-minister-kenney-and-barbara-kay-protect-canadian-value?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rabble-news+%28rabble.ca+-+News+for+the+rest+of+us%29
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 03 January 2012 at 8:02am
	Face veils have no place in Western countries. They dehumanize women and this should not be tolerated. We want open communities where people can see each others faces.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3992	Posted: 03 January 2012 at 11:58am
	Well Matt from an Islamic legal perspective I don't believe Muslim women must veil, however there is a difference of opinion on this matter. For those Muslim women who feel obligated to veil, and are doing there best to obey their religion; and in the interest of freedom of religious expression, why should it not be tolerated? Are Western countries not traveling a slippery slope of blatant religious discrimination? What next? Will having a long beard dehumanize men? Does a religious vow of celibacy dehumanize men and women?
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peacemaker Male Islam Moderator Group Joined: 29 December 2005 Location: Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 3056	Posted: 03 January 2012 at 7:07pm
	*Originally posted by Matt Browne* Face veils have no place in Western countries. They dehumanize women and this should not be tolerated. We want open communities where people can see each others faces. Matt Browne, Such matters have already been explained to you at length. In spite of that, promoting these ideas is spamming the forum. If you have any concern, start a thread in a relevent section. Comply with the guidelines.
	Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? Qur'an 55:13
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 20 January 2012 at 5:43am
	Disagreement is not spam. And it is not a violation of the guidelines. Mature people can handle dissent. The topic here is Canadian values. Such values include a society where everyone shows his or her face. I'm totally aware that many Muslims disagree with this particular value. We do have a clash of values here, no doubt.
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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Reepicheep Senior Member Joined: 06 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 235	Posted: 23 January 2012 at 5:21pm
	Muslim Group asks Government to expand Burka Ban ...According to reports in the National Post and the Toronto Sun, a prominent grassroots Muslim organization paid tribute to Kenney, Sunday at an event at a Toronto Hotel. The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) hosted the shindig and threw praise at the Minister. "You have taken a very courageous step in banning the burka from citizenship ceremonies," Farzana Khan, former MCC president, told the minister. She then asked the minister to go a step further and introduce legislation similar to Quebec's Bill - 94 which essentially bars Muslim women from receiving or delivering public services while wearing a niqab... http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/muslim-group-asks-government-expand-burka-ban-194129032.html
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abuayisha Senior Member Joined: 05 October 1999 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3992	Posted: 23 January 2012 at 8:14pm
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Canadian_Congress MCC endorses same-sex marriage legislation Edited by abuayisha - 23 January 2012 at 8:31pm
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Matt Browne Male Christian Senior Member Joined: 19 April 2010 Location: Germany Online Status: Offline Posts: 749	Posted: 24 January 2012 at 7:13am
	This is very encouraging, Reepicheep. This is how I view the issue: Muslims demand respect for the Prophet. Well-meaning non-Muslims do show respect, for example by abstaining from drawing pictures of him. Well-meaning non-Muslims don't want to hurt the feelings of Muslims and rightly so. Now non-Muslims also demand respect for their values, traditions and customs. Well-meaning non-Muslims do show respect, for example by abstaining from wearing face veils in Western countries. Well-meaning Muslims don't want to hurt the feelings of non-Muslims and rightly so. A society with people hiding their faces in public does hurt us. This creates very strong emotions. We want a society built on love, kindness, generosity and thriving communities. Our faces convey our emotions and help us interact with each other. Friendly faces do build trust. Please respect our values too. And don't call our desire to protect our values spam. Be fair. Edited by Matt Browne - 24 January 2012 at 7:14am
	A religion that's intolerant of other religions can't be the world's best religion --Abdel Samad Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people--Eleanor Roosevelt
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