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Quote Karim33 Replybullet Topic: Adam from water/clay/semen = EVOLUTION!!!
    Posted: 09 September 2005 at 2:56am
(Below this links to different scientific-areas in Quran, just paste and cntrl+c, release to address-bar cntrl+v)       

FIRST LOOK AT THIS AMAZING SHAPE FROM AREA OF DOMINANTLY ISLAMIC:
http://www.geocities.com/science_in_koran/cover1

Allah creates WHAT He wills and HOW He ever wills. Good example from this all is "Adam and Eve", because DNA-tested people all over the world have conformed that we all humans have common ancestors (at least same mother according to tests, “Hawwa” is translated as “original mother” from Quran, there had to be male too), as far as 200 000 years. It does not matter how they came here (like for example from leap of evolution, 3:59 says that "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was", which can only mean that similitude is on both coming from womb they were created without [HUMAN!] father, as in 16:40 is said that Allah created ALL by word “Be” too, “Be” is not quick, Jesus grew slowly in womb) when Koran renounces that all humans, so Adam too, are created from water, clay (/ground/dust f.ex. in 23:12) and semen, how this could be fitted together but by evolution starting in and from water (sea), leading to semen that grow from eating food, grown from ground, then from there to womb that semen requires? In fact it can not mean anything else, as 37:11 is speaking about all humans created from ground in general level, not just about Adam, and he has not been excluded from parts of Koran where mankind has been created by semen (“nutfah”). So we can connect this development also to other species living before, turning to "ashes" even then, coming building blocks for us too, and Allah says in Koran that He created those also from water (f.ex.21:30) like "all living things" on earth (evolution started from water, in all living water is important and in searching for life in space water is priority), which continued on land as same family coming from water.

So humans are most accurately described to be created from water, the ground and from semen, animals overall from water (=by evolution) as scale is larger, and biggest scale of opportunities for creation is when “jinns” (other than human/animals) are said to be created from “fire without smoke”, from (early died and exploded) stars (producing material for everything) as in space fire has no smoke due to lack of oxygen. ). In Koran might be advice to think other earlier (and those lived with us) human-like also, were they humans or not, in fact it is said in 6:133 that we have been raised from "posterity of other people".

Scholars were not wrong as according to hadith they said that Allah "shaped with His hands" humans from BOTH water and ground, as we truly have been shaped from fish to reptile, then from four legs to two legs, etc. Koran only mentions Adam as first VICEGERENT on earth, there is no denying that same kind of species could exist on other planets, or that other kinds of earlier human-like species were created earlier on earth (who were not "vicegerent", maybe because they were unable to be it due lack of some properties like higher intelligent). 38:72 says that when Allah created Adam He “breathed” His spirit into him (notice that according 2:34 immediate command to bow down after that happened only after Adam was told name of things, so maybe his spirit was created before he came to paradise/earth/paradise on earth, explaining how according to Bible Jesus said he was before Abraham was on earth) , which can be seen as one thing making difference between modern humans and earlier humans/animals, maybe it is mostly capability to believe in Allah that was given to first modern human coming from womb of earlier human (in leap of evolution).

MAIN PAGE:
http://www.geocities.com/science_in_quran/islam.html

ASTRONOMY IN QURAN (both earth and heavens had both their own six periods/days of creation but those are not separated by "dots" in Quran, only way to fit together reasonable 41:9-12):
http://www.geocities.com/koran_astronomy/Islam.html

ALIENS ("JINNS") IN QURAN (creation from "fire without smoke" describes how all matter for all living/not living in universum is originated from early stars that died and explouded, creation of all in Earth is also from water and so it is said in Quran about animals/all living on earth, but maybe that is not case elsewhere):
http://www.geocities.com/koran_aliens/Islam.html

HUMANS IN KORAN (more about evolution and creation/developement of human):
http://www.geocities.com/koran_human/Islam.html

HISTORY AND PROPHECY ABOUT BYZANT IN KORAN, ALSO "DESERTS GREEN" AND "ISLAMIC MANIFEST" PROPHECY (Events in history proof that Allah is affecting whole world and His actions can be seen):
http://www.geocities.com/koran_historyandgeology_prophecy/Is lam.html

FLOOD OF PROPHET NOAH IN KORAN (to prove that flood was local, open also "Koran in internet"-link and there search, write Noah):
http://www.geocities.com/koran_flood/Islam.html

"GOG AND MAGOG" (MONGOLS) AND ALEXANDER IN KORAN (to prove that Alexander hide his real fate and acted unbeliever among greeks to complete his mission important for Islam, and proofs from hadiths/Quran that mongols were "GOG AND MAGOG"):
http://www.geocities.com/alexander_mongols/Islam.html

ANIMALS, CLOUDS / LIGHTNINGS, MOUNTAINS, BODIES OF WATER AND MATHEMATICS IN KORAN:
http://www.geocities.com/animalcloudmountainseamathematic/Is lam.html

HOW CHRISTIANS WENT ASTRAY, AND PROPHESIES OF JESUS AND OTHERS ABOUT ISLAM IN BIBLE:
http://www.geocities.com/bible_and_paul/Islam.html


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This is from my book in (SEE NEW CHANGES/IDEAS, I LOST MY PERMISSION TO POST THEM HERE!!!):

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

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Quote Karim33 Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2005 at 3:02am
In fact we have to remember that in Quran Allah say only that He CREATED (in past time form) man (could be only MANKIND, beginning of it) from semen.

It does not exclude Adam, but it could exclude many people in the future who are not created from sperm, but by cloning, then this would be about Adam only.

Or then semen does not mean only sperm, but also for example cell ("beginning unit") that some people are cloned from.
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http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

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Quote Karim33 Replybullet Posted: 09 September 2005 at 4:23am
These are strong evidence in Quran to support evolution and old earth/heavens:

17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief."
               
Neanderthal-human disappeared suddenly from Europe when humans came (Neanderthals=Romans=Christians?). Koran even have parts where is given information about past and still on going evolution, creation of Allah, that is not finished yet according to Koran (that we can see ourselves by science):

29:19-20 "See they not how Allah originates the creation, THEN REPEATS IT. Verily, that is easy for Allah. Say (Mohammed): ´Travel in the land and see how Allah originated the creation: SO WILL ALLAH PRODUCE A LATER CREATION: for Allah has power over all things."

This is exactly what Darwin did, travel and study

24:45 "Allah has created every animal from WATER: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah CREATES WHAT HE WILLS; for verily Allah is able to do all things."

25:54 "It is He Who has created man (/mankind) from WATER: then has He established relationship of lineage and marriage: for thy Lord has power (over all things)."

76:1 "Has there not been over man (/mankind) a long period of time, when he was nothing (even) mentioned?"

6:133 "Thy Lord is self-sufficient, full of Mercy: if it were His will, He could destroy you, and in your place appoint whom He will as your successors, even as He raised you up from the posterity of other people."

17:99 "See they not that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, is able to create the like of them. And He has decreed for them an appointed term, whereof there is no doubt. But the unjust refuse but disbelief."

14:19 "..If He so will, He can remove you and put (in your place) a new creation!"

3:59 "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

35:1 "Praise be to Allah, Who created (out of nothing) the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels, messengers with wings,- two, or three, or four (pairs): He adds to Creation as He pleases: for Allah has power over all things."
                       Evolution is said to be continued, Allah can add into it what He wills.

37:11 "Just ask their opinion: are they the more difficult to create, or the (other) beings We have created? Them have We created out of a sticky clay!"
                            This ayat shows that we really are basically normal animals, we even share 98% of our genes with chimpanzees. So if simps were easy to create, so are we.

21:30 "Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one united piece (/as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder (/then We parted them)? We made from water every living thing, Will they not then believe?"

In "big bang" (and maybe even before it ours and other universes) and in early stages of universe heavens were together, and earth was together with heavens, and they got separated. And Also earth got separated as continental plates were together (last time Pangaeia).
This is from my book in (SEE NEW CHANGES/IDEAS, I LOST MY PERMISSION TO POST THEM HERE!!!):

http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/

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http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/
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