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Hi kish, I am coming again, you running from the truth! But I will keep coming till the truth establish.

You didn’t answer my question how they derive Hebrew “Jehashuah or Jeshua” from the original Greek “Iesous”.

They invented it because “Jeshua” mean “salvation” and “Jehashuah” mean “Jehovah is Salvation” another invented meaning.

This is an explanation a Christian reply to me how they arrived with the Greek name of the Messiah (S) on a discussion forum some time back:

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A word or a name in Hebrew which begins with a YODE (Hebrew Y) would have to be transliterated into Greek using an IOTA (Greek I) and would likely be followed by an ETA (Greek E) or an OMIKRON (Greek O), depending on the phonics of the original word. Since there is no letter in Greek equivalent to the Hebrew YODE, the Greek IOTA (followed by another vowel to mimick the required sound) is the next best thing. Transliteration is a mimicking or "best rendering" type of work, not an exacting science.

 

The answer:

A word or a name in Greek which begins with an IOTA would then be transliterated into English using the letter I. In such cases the I would sound like a Y and if we knew for certain the origins of the first word from which the Greek transliteration was conducted (in this case being a Hebrew word that starts with a YODE) we would be justified in bypassing the I altogether and using the Y instead thats where Iesous is coming from and from the Jews.

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 Know the “fact”:  If the socal original is in Greek, so from the Greek we have to transliterate it back into Hebrew: Greek is “Iesous” transliterate it back to Hebrew is “Yesous”, same pronunciation as “Isa” in Arabic and not Jushua and Jahashuasa.

 

How the derive the name “Jesus”? They transliterates IESOUS TO JESOUS by changing the “I” into “J” and drop the “O” = JESUS, a name foreign to the original pronunciation (Yesous in Hebrew; Isa in Arabic).

THIS IS TO SHOW THAT THE QUR'AN REVEALS THE TRUTH!

 

TRUTHNOWCOME

Edited by truthnowcome - 23 January 2012 at 2:17am

TNC, the fact that Muhammad contradict, misquote and added to the scriptures of ‘the book’ and Islam is totally out of harmony with the Old and New Testament you are not in a position to quote much of anything except your own book.

Revelation 22:18 If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.


First and foremost, KNOWING what Isaiah and other prophets had written about the Messiah, the Jewish nation long anticipated his arrival. That is why many Jews “were in expectation” of the Messiah’s imminent appearance. How do we know this despite what you have been told through your teachings of Muhammad?

Luke 3:15 Now as the people (Jews) were in expectation and all were reasoning in their hearts about John: “May he perhaps be the Christ?

Now… How would we know this would be a dual prophecy?
Isaiah also foretold that Christ would be a descendant of David, specifically mentioning Jesse, David’s father. Jesus did indeed directly descend from David.

How was this confirmed according to the Law of Moses in the OT and NT? By two or three witnesses!

Luke 1:32, 33 (Angel Gabriel) Isaiah 11:1-5, 10 (Prophet Isaiah) Romans 15:12. (Apostle Paul)

You may not like it but now is the time for TRUE SUBMISSION, all personal feelings aside!

Before the birth of Jesus, the angel Gabriel told Jesus’ mother, Mary: “God will give him the throne of David his father.” Why does the Quran intentional leaves this out but acknowledges the Gospel account? To hide the fact that Jesus is indeed Immanuel and or the Messiah who the Jews were inspection of.

Answer this, was Immanuel Isaiah’s first, second or third child? In fact, who gave birth to the son named Immanuel? Can you show and prove the answer to these two questions?

If not, everything you wrote is purely speculation. Stop assuming who is what and what is who without FACTS!



Again, that is why it is a dual prophecy and the real identity of Immanuel was never truly revealed which you or anyone else has been able to do using the OT.   The birth of the first Immanuel was a sign that God had not forsaken the house of David. Likewise, the birth of Jesus, the Greater Immanuel, was a sign that God had not forsaken mankind or his Kingdom covenant with David’s house as he promised. Luke 1:31-33 says and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.




You have failed to show and prove all THREE!
On the other hand, this is only one of dozens of prophecies concerning Jesus in just the book of Isaiah alone that the Angel Gabriel, Matthew, Paul and others confirms. Whether Muslims accept it or not is irrelevant, sorry. The account and prophecies in Isaiah pertaining to Jesus still stands as a dual prophecy which I clearly showed using the Old and New Testament of the Holy Scriptures.



Hostile are we? I believe you are better off just sticking to your Quran for now. The Quran was produced in Arabia for Muslims; it is the first book for Muslims. Its appeal is to the preferences and prejudices of the Arabs, that’s it.

Jesus never, never, never, ever said the ‘spirit of truth’ is a person, every Jew and Christian knows that!
If you really feel confident on this subject I suggest you open up a new thread on this matter that Muslims have been misinformed by their Imams, believe me I personally know. The ‘only’ prophets Jesus said will come after him will be FALSE PROPHETS!
ANYONEANYONEANYONEANYONE

Edited by Kish - 23 January 2012 at 1:45pm

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Kish, this is where you are wrong! First of all, revelation 22:18-19 has nothing to do with OT and NT; in fact, it has to do with the book of revelation itself and no other book; it says: “if anyone makes an addition to “these things” (meaning: the prophesies that written inside the book of revelation). Try again!!

Muhammad (S) nor the Quran did contradict anything, in fact it came to reminds, conforms and substitutes and correct former revelation:

Ø  None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

Ø  ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4:47)

Ø  Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) place, and say “We hear and disobey,”…and but few of them will believe. (Q.4:46)

Ø  From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)

·       Ye People of the Book! Why do you mix truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth, while ye have knowledge. (Q.3:71)

·       “There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (as they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, “That is from Allah,” But it is not from Allah: it is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (Q.3:78)

OT:

·        "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

·       The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

·       From Hebrew: Jeremiah 8:8  How do ye say (8799) , We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made (8804) he it; the pen of the scribes (8802) is in vain.

·       13 And Jehovah says: “For the reason that this people have come near with their mouth, and they have glorified me merely with their lips, and they have removed their heart itself far away from me, and their fear toward me becomes men’s commandment that is being taught, (MEN’S COMMANDMENT ADDED TO THE SCRIPTURES) 14 therefore here I am, the One that will act wonderfully again with this people, in a wonderful manner and with something wonderful; and the wisdom of their wise men must perish, and the very understanding of their discreet men will conceal itself.” (Isiah29: 10-14)

QURAN:

People of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a light [Muhamed (pbuh)] and a perspicuous Book.” (Q.5:15)

…Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

THIS IS HOW IT AGRRES:

The Prophet of Islam was prophesied in yet another prophesies in Isaiah 28. Christian’s commentators claimed that Jesus (S) fulfilled this prophesy also which is not true. A closer look revealed that when the Mighty Strong one come God himself will teach him (V.26), he will speak to the Jews in another language (V.7-9), at that time the Jewish people would be in a state of evilness and corruptions (V.10-11) and In verse 26 he will establish the corner stone which Jesus (S) spoke of in Matthew 21:42-43 when he said: “… Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” That nation is the Ishmaelite the seed of Abraham!

Muhammad (S) was that Mighty Strong One mentioned in verse 2, He (S) was the only Prophet who claimed to have followed the religion of Abraham (S) and speak to the Jews in another language. In verse 17 he will bring judgment (17Judgments also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet…) and the Qur’an conforms that: “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1)

AGREEMENTS:

The leaders of the Jews were already informed by God Almighty that when the Mighty strong One [Muhammad (S)] would come upon them his Message will be strange to them:

Ø  “From the Lord shall rise up in Mount Perazim, he may do his work; his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act. (Isaiah.28:21)

At Mt. Perazem to the valley of Gibeon the message will reach them and it will be strange to them.

This Hadith conform Isaiah 28:21:

Ø  Abd-Allah ibn Mas ud said: “The Prophet (pbuh) said, ‘Islam begin as something strange, and it will revert to being strange as it was in the beginning, so good tiding for the stranger.’ Someone ask, ‘Who are the strangers?’ He said: ‘The ones who break away from their people for the sake of Islam.’” This Hadith was narrated by Ibn Majah on authority of Anas and Abu Hurayrah. [Ibn Majah, kitab al-Fitan (Hadith 3988), 2/1320]

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In Isaiah 42 The God of Abraham (S) mentioned of His’ servant whom he will send to the world and he will established “NEW LAW’ (Judgment) in the earth.

This servant has to come from Ishmael’s descendant true Kedar (Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the village that Kedar doth inhabit…Isaiah.42:11; And these are the names of the son Ishmael, by their names according to their generations: the first born of Ishmael, Nebajoth…and Kedar...” Genesis 25:13).

Ø  “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.” (Iasiah.42:1)

   According to Christian Jesus (S) is God or son of God and here is says “My Servant or God Servant /Slave,” so that cannot be Jesus (S). All prophets after Jacob (S) mentioned in the Bible came for the Israelites not Gentiles. This includes Jesus (S) (Matt.15:21-26, Matt. 10:5-6 and many more. And Jesus (S) did not stay on earth long enough to bring judgment to the Gentile. But Muhammad (S) he brought message which is the Criterion of Judgment between right and wrong to the Gentiles.

It mentioned in the Qur’an: “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong, i.e. the Qur’an) to his slave [Muhammad (pbuh)] that he may be a Warner to the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn).” (Q.25:1)

 And Jesus (S) said:

Ø  “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

 How would the comforter reprove the world of Judgment? He would reprove the world of judgment when the everlasting Good News would have come. Revelation 14: 6-7 mentioned the coming of the universal Book of judgment:

Ø  “And I saw another angel fly in the mid of Heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nations, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying... fear God and give glory to him for judgment is come.” (Rev.14:6-7)

The everlasting gospel was yet to come; Jesus (S) gospel could not be for all time! Jesus (S) already on earth with a gospel, he could not be the another angel with everlasting gospel, the everlasting Gospel is the little book that mentioned in Revelation 10:1-11“another angel” with a “little book” which John did not wrote but is yet to come (See Ch.5); and it is clearly stated in Revelation 14:7 and I quote: “…another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel…”. So, an angel have to bring the everlasting gospel and it has to come from Heaven! The word used there is “eu´Aggeliðzw” which mean “Good New” and was translates as gospel. That means the angel was bringing the “Everlasting Good News”!

The Qur’an makes that claimed in ch.26: 192-196.It mentioned:

Ø  “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1)

Ø  A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

Ø  “Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic” (Q.13:37)

Ø  Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185)

The book of Revelation 14-7 says? “Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!” Not the Day of Judgment, the Criterion: The standard way of judgment between right and wrong; that is because the angel was bringing the everlasting Good news (a Message) or we can say the book of judgment between right and wrong. I have written a whole chapter on revelation 14 with a fuller explanation.

Ø  4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:4)

 

AGREEMENTS:

Isaiah.42: 9 stated:

Ø   “Behold, the former things (OLD LAW) are come to pass, and new things (NEW LAW) do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you.” 

The former things are the old law and have to replace with new law (the Islamic law), “He shell not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for ‘his Law.’” (Isaiah.42:4)

THAT IS WHERE THE QURAN COMES IN; IT REPLACES FORMER THING (LAW) WITH NEW THINGS (LAWS).

 

TNC

Edited by truthnowcome - 24 January 2012 at 7:28pm

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So they had two Immanuel? I mean god came two times one when he forsakes king Ahaz, and the other when Mary gives birth? Good try! Did he sit on the throne of David (s)? Or god with us (Immanuel) they kill him? Who is telling the truth God or the author of Luke?

tnc