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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 22 September 2011 at 1:20am

   Jesus (S) teaches the coming of the Kingdom of God in parables but not all who received the true message of Jesus (S) will believe. In Matthew 13: 3-9 he describes himself as the “sower” who went forth and teaches the Good News of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Matthew13:3-9

·         3And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

·         4And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

·         5Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

·         6And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

·         7And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

·         8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

·         9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus (S) explained the parable of the sower who preaches the coming of the “word of the Kingdom (coming of the universal message the Quran)”

Matthew13:18-23 

·         18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

·         19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 What is the “word” of the Kingdom? The “word” of the Kingdom is the “Gospel (Good News)” of Jesus (S) informing us of the coming of the Kingdom of God.

Ø  Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel (Good News) of the kingdom of God, (Mark 1:14).

Not everyone who claimed to believe him will follow his true message, He said:

·         20But he that received the seed onto stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

·         21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

·         22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

·         23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Ø  Jesus said: “…by the fruit ye shall knew them.” (Matt.7:20)

Ø  Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes.  (Matt.21:42)

Ø  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44)

Ø  Therefore say I unto you The kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Matt.21:43

Originally posted by Reepicheep

truthnowcome wrote: Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus was preaching?

I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our behalf.

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16

 

    Are you still surprise? I guess you are more surprised now to know what you were program to believe the Good News is it is not!

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Quote Reepicheep Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2011 at 7:59am
Truthnowcome, please avoid posting your long, irrelevant cut and pastes.  They serve no purpose that I can see.
 
I'm really not sure what you are tryng to say, but it seems to be something like the following:
 
Some English language translations of the bible contain the word "gospel".  The word "gospel" has two meanings.  When reading the bible, it is impossible to know which meaning to use.  Therefore, Christianity is a false religion.
 
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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:08pm

    Reepicheep, I am sorry if my post is too long. I did that because I want to establish that people who claimed to fallow Jesus (S) message are not really following it they were misguided because of the usage of the Greek word “εὐαγγέλιον” as “Gospel” instead of the literal meaning “Good News”. If itwas translate correctly they would have understand that the coming of God’s kingdom is really another message which is a universal one.

     The core message of Jesus (S) was to inform the people of the coming of God’s kingdom on earth. I have estsblished how the word supposed to be used, and that is the announcement of sometings that is highly important. It was used for Jesus message also, the same purpose to announce the coming of God’s kingdom on earth, so when he mentioned: “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel every creature. (Mark 16:15) He was telling his disciples to go and inform the world of the Good News which is the coming of Gods’s kingdom, a  universal message that is yet to come; and not to go into the world and preach the “bible” (a collection of books)! That is the reason he had put so mush of emphasis on teaching the people of the kingdom of God, he even make it a part of his prayer and teaches his disciples to do so also. (After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.”) (Matthew 6:9 )

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:10pm

I have established:

 

   In Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: Luke 1

 

Lu 1:19 The angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presenceof God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.

 

   The word used here to announce the birth of Jesus (S). Link of whole chapter: Luke 2

 

Lu 2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good newsof great joy which will be for all the people;

 

Here Jesus (S) used it to announce the coming of God’s Kingdom.

 

Mt 4:23

And Jesus went about (5707) all Galilee, teaching (5723) in their synagogues, and preaching (5723) the gospel of the kingdom, and healing (5723) all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

 

Mt 9:35 -|Original Greek]

And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

 

Mr 1:14 - |Original Greek]

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

 

Here to toll them to “repent” first and then believe his Gospel (Good News); and what was the Good News? The coming of the kingdom of God!

 

Mr 1:15 - |Original Greek]

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

 

  I have also established the same word εὐαγγέλιον” mentioned in revelation 14. This time it was an angel again, the angel was bringing The Good News from heaven, and it was an everlasting one; it was describe as a “Judgment”to “preach”all nation.That Judgment was the criterion between right and wrong.

Ø   And I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.” (Rev.14:6-7)

Just to conform that “judgment”is the law it mentioned there and is a universal one:

Ø  “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentile.” (Iasiah.42:1)

Ø  4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he has set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for His LAW. (Isaiah.42:4)

 

Ø  “And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.” (John.16:8)

 

    Not Jesus (S) message is false; it is the doctrin which Christians is following. If they follow the message it would have lead them to the Quran.

 

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 24 September 2011 at 1:12pm

This is what mentioned in the Qur’an:

Ø  Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4) …it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Ø  Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

Ø   

Ø  “This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.” (Qur.10:37)

Ø   

Ø  Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

Ø  And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

 

Ø  …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

Ø  ye who believe! Fear Allah as He should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102)

Ø  And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42)

Ø  Thus have We revealed it (the Qur’an) to be a judgment of authority in Arabic (Q.13:37)

  What Revelation 14-7 says?

Ø  Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come!”

Allah (S) said: “A book, whereof the verses are explained in detail-A Qur’an in Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4)

 

Our Job is to belivered the message, guidance only come from Allah(S).

 

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2011 at 8:55pm

    Reepicheep, I have keeping abrest of your visiting of this forum and you didnt reply. I am still awaiting a responce. I the mean time I will post a follow up, Inshallah!

 

  I have established that Jesus (s) preaches the Good News of the comming of God Kingdom which is a message. Now I will establish who will bring this message to establish God’s kingdom on earth.

 

   If you go to revelation 12 it mentioned of a man child who will bring the kingdom of God which is the universal message which is the Judgment between right and wrond to all nations.

 

This article is long for the purpos of all thouse who seek the truth.

    The book of  Revelation Chapter12  it deals with the coming of a “man child” who will rule all nations with a rod of iron and at his arrival then “Salvation and the Kingdom of God will come (And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of ironNow comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God… 12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S).

What makes it so interesting is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal Messenger:

Ø  We have not sent thee but as a universal Messenger to all mankind…but most of mankind know not.” (Qur.34:28).  

   However, Christian’s commentator claimed that this is a prophesy of Jesus (S). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned:

Ø  1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered…5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev.12:1-5) 

    First we have to find out who this woman is or what she represents? According to some Christian’s Scholars the woman represents the “church” and some says the woman represents the “Jewish’s nation” and the man child is Jesus (S).

   If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the “WOMAN” as the Church. It mentioned:

Ø   And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6)  

Ø  “And to the woman were given two wingsthat she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. (Rev.12:14)

Ø  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev.11:3)

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Ø  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Rev.11:4)  

    The evidence that the woman represents the church is that the woman was given “two wings” and fled into the wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev.11:4. Those “two wings” are the two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candle stick; and the Candlesticks represent churches: 

Ø  “…the seven candlestick which thou sawest are seven churches.” Rev. 1:20

So, we can conclude that the “woman” represents the “Church”

  Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse 7-9 we would recognized that the woman represents the church. It mentioned:

Ø  Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saint.” Rev.19:7-8

   The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came fromher and she” which is referring to the “church” when the church would have well established for the coming of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the “woman” represents the “Church” and not the Jewish’s nation. Also, woman represents a “great city”:

Ø  “And the woman which thou saws is that great city…” (Rev.17:18).

 Meaning the Church will be a Great city.

  The reason why some Christian’s commentator says the woman represent the Jewish’s nation is because in many place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but that is because the “church” was with them.

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 26 September 2011 at 9:00pm

 Now,  let us look at the “man child” who he is. Is this man child really Jesus (S) as was claimed by the Christian’s commentators? Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur’an?

In Revelation 12: 3 to 5 mentioned:

Ø  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.   (Rev.12:3-5) 

  As I have established before the “woman” represents the “church”. That would mean this man child was to come and establish the church universally to all nations and the Devil will tried to kill him but would failed in the attempt and he (the man child) will caught up unto God.

·         Now, first point: If Rev.12 was about Jesus (S) present time in the past where Jesus (S) was ascended to Heaven then that does not add up because Rev.12:5 mentioned:

Ø   “And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron...”

Jesus (S) didn’t fulfill that, he did not even rule the Jews!

·         Second point: If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it doesn’t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man (flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the man or God? The verse mentioned:

Ø  MAN CHILD… and HER CHILD was caught up unto God”.

It didn’t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple question will suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as a man or God? If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as God as they believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy.

·         Third point: The book of Revelation is a vision of prophesy of future things to come:

Ø   The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass…”Rev.1:1)

So Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophesy of future things Jesus (S) was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians believe.

·         Forth point: If in his second coming he will ascend to God’s Throne why come when he is already on the throne? Also In his second coming when he would have ascended to God’s Throne would the Jewish’s nation fled into the wilderness or they would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn’t add up. Why the woman (the Jewish’s nation as some Christian’s commentators claimed) fled in to the wilderness for a thousand two hundred and threescore days when all nee suppose to bow in his second coming?

Ø  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev.12:6

   In his second coming according to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish nation will not fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to revelation 19:11, 19-21 he will come with his army to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and his army and cast them into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:11 mentioned, “he will wage war in righteousness” Is there any such thing as righteous war or holy war? Is that Jehad against the devil?

Ø  “And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true.  And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Rev.19:11).

Ø  And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev.19:19-21

 On the other hand Revelation 12: 3-5 mentioned:

Ø  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne”.

So that man child is not a prophesied of Jesus (S).

  So we see clearly that Jesus (S) did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations, he is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I will be explaining later on. He brought the universal book, and he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. He is not Jesus (S) as the Christian’s Scholars had claimed.

 

As you can see Christians do not follow the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus (S) but we Muslims does.

 

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Quote truthnowcome Replybullet Posted: 28 September 2011 at 2:27am

   Let me sumarise is for you with some comments and quotes Reepecheep.

 

    When Jesus said, “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel every creature. (Mark 16:15)”. He was instructing his desciples to go and inform the world of the coming of Kingdon of God which is the universal message for all mankind and Jinn (spirit being), and that message was brought by an angel (Rev.14:6-7) and given to a man child (Rev.12:5-10) from another nation:

 

Ø  Jesus said unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord’s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42) 

  Who rejected Jesus (S)? The Jews! And what will be marvelous in our eyes? It is THE KINGDOM OF GOD, THE FINAL MESSAGE; and the message will bear fruit and be marvelous in our eyes under another nation.

He said:

Ø  “Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt.21:43).

  The Kingdom of God is the final message (revelation) that yet to come after the demise of Jesus (S) and it would be taken away from the Jews according to Jesus (S) and it would be given to another prophet of another nation.

  That nation is no other than the Ishmaelite, Abraham’s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham promise to bless his son Ishmael and make him a Great nation:

Ø  And as for Ishmael…Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and multiply him exceedingly…and I will make a GREAT NATION Genesis 17:20 )

   This prophesies fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It is not evident that Muhammad (S) message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes? Sure! Look at Mecca!

Reepicheep, if you are a true follower of the Messiah (S) then he instructed you as followes: “…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (The Good News of God‘s Kingdom on earth) to every creature.”

Because he said:

Ø  “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” Matt. 24:14

 Think about how important the Kingdom of God was, the Pharisese demanded (ask him) when the Kingdom of God shall come? Jesus explained when he was question:

 

Ø  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” ( Lu 17:20)

 

He tells us how the Kingdom of God will come in Matthew6:31-32:

 

Ø  Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

 A grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: The “seed” is the “Everlasting Good news” that mentioned in Rev.14:6-7. It was brought from Heaven by an angel to preach to all mankind.

 The “man” it that “male child” who was to rule all people and nations:

Ø  And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron…, Rev.12:5).

And he brought “Salvation and the Kingdom of God”:

Ø  Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and power of his Christ…, Rev.12:10)  

Ø  Jesus (S) said: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” ( Lu 17:21) 

  If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with your whole heart! It will be delivered to your heart, it will be withen you, you have to memorise it, store it in you. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed (message)] to Muhammad (S):

Ø  Allah (S) said: “Verily this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: With it came down the spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-Amin).To thy heart.” (Q.26:192-194)

This is what Allah (S) instructed the Prophet to say:

 

Ø  Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102)

Ø  “Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.” (Q.25:1)

Ø  Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur’an 2:185 )

Ø  Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196)

Ø  And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92)

Ø  …it is no less than a Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104)

Ø  …so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50)

Ø  ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, conforming what was (already) with you… (Q.4:47)

Ø  None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not Allah hath power over all things?  (Q.2:106) 

   From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But they forgot a good part of the message that was sent down: So We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14)

Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81)

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