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Posted: 08 October 2011 at 3:42pm

Hi De,
thank you for your kind words.
If I may add this: If each one of us followed our own understanding of who God is, we would have billions of different images of God, contrary to the true one. If God were to reveal knowledge about Him and critarian to judge between right and wrong about Him directly to each and every person, we would not have those messengers and prophets sent to us nor books and warnings in them!
There is a difference between seeing the power and glory of God, in sun, moon, stars and powerful beasts like elephants, bulls and man than seeing them as god(s).

It is because of this human characteristics, I believe that God Almighty has done us a favor among uncountable favors that He sent us guidance, to introduce Himself to us so we don't make the very first mistake, not even knowing the One we say we serve and worship. It is not very hard to identify this God sent guidance if we seek it in truth.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 08 October 2011 at 3:48pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 13 August 2012 at 5:31am

If God could say just one word to us , it would be

LOVE

On the 27th July 2012 , this cloud came along , long and thin , and as i watched it from my chair, as it gently blew away / evaporated , it left the word L O V E in big bold clear letters.

I went to get my cam as quick as i could, fully expecting it to have dissapeared by the time i got to photo it , but luckily it hadnt all gone, it had faded a bit , the L slightly , and the E had become a little distorted , but you can still see it saying L O V E.

There are letters after LOVE aswell , i imagine that they say different things to different people , i wont say what it says to me , but LOVE is Gods word.

A friend also pointed out , there appears to be the image of someone above the V and E , and can only assume its the Spirit of God who put these letters there.

Peace is ours who believe

Edited by AnDe - 13 August 2012 at 5:34am

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Posted: 15 August 2012 at 1:23pm

AnDe,
honestly, I do not see what you see in there, no, I am not blind! Actually, if I try hard, I could see some numbers in those clouds, Arabic numbers, more clear than anything else. Nonetheless, love is something God taught us through scripture and we have that in writing toward all His creations, each one of us just have to bring it in our daily practice. It is nice that you read "love" in everything though like these clouds. I call it power of God. God's reach and God's work is everywhere, in everything.
6:59 (Y. Ali) With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read).
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Posted: 16 August 2012 at 7:29am

Hi Honeto ,

I know , I cant understand it Honeto , obviously you can tell by my confidence in what I say , that it actually stands out bold as day to me , otherwise I wouldn’t be making a fool out of myself here , but , if making a fool out of my self is in ways of seeing Gods Love , well, it is worth it : ) …. Btw ,, your comments are very very respectful Honeto, and im so glad you stopped by to help me with this, and I thank you for your comments , for as ive said before, I feel kinda strangely cozy in this forum

No one whos seen this on the net can see it , no one. Theres only a few at home whom ive shown can see it. Over the last weeks it has been sending me daft , I mean , am I insane ? I think , am I over obsessed to the point of even being delousionary about how much I believe in God and The Spirit of God .

So ,, forgive me , I will give this one more try , and I promise I will not post my what might be insane comments on this site no more ,, hahhahahahah ,, unless someone can actually see this , lol .. ( only joking Honeto , you cant get rid of me that easy , I want to learn so much of you all in here )

Anyway , last try … all I altered on this was the colour , brightness, enlarged it , printed it , copied it , tried n tried to get it to an exposure that looked better … but failed I guess, haha , here goes nothing ……. The next 2 pics, ,

We believe in God don’t we ? , please believe that whilst I was getting the cam, the cloud was getting gently blown away , the L had faded a little, n the O , and the E had got blown a bit , but when It appeared it said it bold and clear , that’s why I went to get the cam , give God the doubt , let him in

Gods Love is very subtle, very gentle , very peaceful , and even at times where we think it isn’t there , its only cause we aren’t peaceful enough to listen to it , and even if we cant see it , Gods love is always there.

With peace , and much respect to all who use this forum , and all

And very much with LOVE for All

Edited by AnDe - 16 August 2012 at 7:35am

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Posted: 22 August 2012 at 12:10pm

De,
I did not mean to put you in a test with the words love in those clouds. We all believe in love of God for us and for all. God's love and glory is manifest in so many ways that we are unable to count.
I am always skeptical of those who try to find word " Allah" written in a potato, or picture of Jesus in a tree, or word love in clouds. I believe there is love of God, in everything we see and experience on a daily basis. I just enjoyed a juicy and yummy peach, there is God's love and Mercy in it. Yesterday, the sunset was so beautiful, the clouds, the colors, there was God's love and glory in that scene, not to mention the eyes that were able to see, enjoy and appreciate all because of God's love in form of those eyes. It is God's love and His guidance that shapes the lives of believers to live by what is declared to them as lawful and to avoid what is declared unlawful for them. It is love of God that He has given us capabilities to think and advance to make use of what is in the earth. I can go on, but I hope I am able to convey the message.
One way to show our love back to our maker is to obey Him and His commands. And to fulfill our obligations toward His creations that surround us which of course requires loving first.
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Posted: 23 August 2012 at 5:51am

Hi Hasan , I very much agree, I too have been in a sceptical air throughout the past, where poeple have found Jesus's face in trees , and Allahs name in fruit , just a stroke of luck, and imagination, I used to think. And no sir , I never felt like I was being tested, forgive my relentless hope to try to let people see what I saw, i never had the camera last year for what i saw then ,it was a cross between wanting to let the world see some proof of God, and also an earnest desire not to keep Gods Love to myself, but to share it with the world where it belongs, for some I think, when they have had experiences of God, try to keep it to themselves, and promote a " listen to me, i know the way " kinda attitude, and use it for thier own gain.

Anyway , I accept that not all see it , but I am very much at peace now about that, I have no desire to try and put this picture now other than the 3 places it sits, im sure that it will mean something to some in the future. One little thing, before I leave this cloud subject, later on that same evening , maybe a hour or 2 after i took that Love pic , as the sun set , this massive heart shaped cloud hung in the same area of sky, i was that stunned, i actually dropped my drink on the floor, a big fluffy heart , glowing orange and red in the sunset. I didnt photo this, it just settled me so warmly and peacfully , and indeed as you say " God's love and glory is manifest in so many ways that we are unable to count. "

Listen to him and obey him I do , which is why Im here , and to move this conversation forward now constructively , but very well led in by the cloud convo , may I ask Hasan , and others ..

WHAT IS LOVE ?

This question used to go through my mind for years before my awakening, I used to say that no one could say what Love is, cause you can fall in Love at any time with anyone , and no one else can judge your Love to be right or wrong. It wasnt untill I met Da , someone who with Love grew so strong , she was so true ,and so full of Spirit. I fell deeply in Love with this girl , for to me she is my mirror, and I hers. I will use the word LOVED , for i talk about at that time , our Love is stronger and greater now , and i still LOVE her , but for the text in this i use LOVED , ... , I loved her as my sister , I loved her as my daughter , I loved her as my mother , I loved her as my familly , I loved her for her charecter , I loved her for how she helped , I loved her for her beauty , I loved her as my best friend , I loved her for her delicatness and sweetnes , I loved for her actions, I loved her for her ways , I loved her for so so many more reason, every day , 3 years ago as we met , we found another layer of Love , another reason to Love her. My old saying developed over the last years , at that time, well, I could now elaborate what LOVE IS.

LOVE is many things , in many ways , and of many dimensions. The more different layers of Love you have in a relationship , the stronger your Love. We used to think that our LOVE was that full in different ways that it had actually reached the stars in depth and richness, it was LOVE, and then BAMMMMMMMMMM .. GOD ripped my blindfold off and had me on the floor in a cross between tears and joy , as the full Spirit of God hit me with awareness , as Da , my good lady , sent me this .

1 Corinthians 13 and Ephesians 6 , the relevant part to this conversation being

⁴Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. ⁵It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. ⁶Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. ⁷It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

⁸Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. ⁹For we know in part and we prophesy in part, ¹⁰but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

After settling down, months later, from my first HIT of God , it is now my main true saying , that it is easier to say what LOVE IS NOT , than say what Love is , and LOVE Hassan is definately not self seeking , and any who seek God to fullfill thier own human desires will not find Gods true word.

PLEASE Hassan and ALL , may you now please help , for as said , the reason Im here is I walk the path to unity and peace , and I cannot understand why all scholars quible and argue between religions , over who said what where and when , instead of agreeing in the common things , and agree that GODS LOVE IS EVERYWHERE , we already have unity : )

Could some fine Islamic scholar please tell me , is there , as i fully expect , a passage, or passages , in the Qur'an , that say similar , as to what LOVE IS NOT , or what Love is , and if so , couldl you possibly put a link up for me to read , an english version of the passage / s

We all will move forward , and I am of full Faith in God enough to believe that the future is Peace and Unity , and these that go on about The End Times , are living in confusion of their own minds, For folk say , if God exists , why is there so much suffering , but I think youll find that most of the suffering is man made , and anger is of Man, and Love is of God.

With prayers thought and thanks for ALL good people alive today

With prayers that all who feel hate or anger may sit still to feel Gods real Love, and find peace within themselves.

With prayers thought and thanks to all the great masters of the past , whos teachings and writtings are still heard so clearly today

With prayers thanks love respect admiration full faith and great acceptance ,i give the greatest thanks and praise to GOD

Peace is ours who live in Love and Truth , as so many do on this forum.

Edited by AnDe - 23 August 2012 at 1:21pm

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Posted: 29 August 2012 at 2:45pm

AnDe,
now that we are talking about clouds, I guess each one sees what they like. Take my 15 year old, who was into dinosaurs since she was 1. She would see different kind of dinosaurs in clouds. She will tell me this one is this and that one is that. My other daughter likes baking and she sees cupcakes and muffins and cakes. i myself is a fan of beauty in nature, so I see in clouds beauty. Also being a photographer, I see all kind of subjects when I compose a frame with clouds.
Truly in everything there is beauty, All we can say is "Praise God, the most High".
The only thing that must worry about is what will really affect our future life that will be eternal. This life is temporary, from king to the beggar all will die one day. How we perform our roles we are given in this life will determine where we end up.
God has spoken to us through the prophets and given us word of guidance. We must explore and find what that guidance is. And we must not invent our own ideas, as we have only limited knowledge. We must trust the All knowing and obey Him, not our own desires or what comes out of our mind, if we really care to save ourselves from mistakes and eternal loss.
Hasan

Edited by honeto - 29 August 2012 at 2:49pm

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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 08 October 2011 at 3:42pm
	Hi De, thank you for your kind words. If I may add this: If each one of us followed our own understanding of who God is, we would have billions of different images of God, contrary to the true one. If God were to reveal knowledge about Him and critarian to judge between right and wrong about Him directly to each and every person, we would not have those messengers and prophets sent to us nor books and warnings in them! There is a difference between seeing the power and glory of God, in sun, moon, stars and powerful beasts like elephants, bulls and man than seeing them as god(s). It is because of this human characteristics, I believe that God Almighty has done us a favor among uncountable favors that He sent us guidance, to introduce Himself to us so we don't make the very first mistake, not even knowing the One we say we serve and worship. It is not very hard to identify this God sent guidance if we seek it in truth. Hasan Edited by honeto - 08 October 2011 at 3:48pm
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AnDe Newbie Joined: 07 September 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10	Posted: 13 August 2012 at 5:31am
	If God could say just one word to us , it would be LOVE On the 27th July 2012 , this cloud came along , long and thin , and as i watched it from my chair, as it gently blew away / evaporated , it left the word L O V E in big bold clear letters. I went to get my cam as quick as i could, fully expecting it to have dissapeared by the time i got to photo it , but luckily it hadnt all gone, it had faded a bit , the L slightly , and the E had become a little distorted , but you can still see it saying L O V E. There are letters after LOVE aswell , i imagine that they say different things to different people , i wont say what it says to me , but LOVE is Gods word. A friend also pointed out , there appears to be the image of someone above the V and E , and can only assume its the Spirit of God who put these letters there. Peace is ours who believe Edited by AnDe - 13 August 2012 at 5:34am
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 15 August 2012 at 1:23pm
	AnDe, honestly, I do not see what you see in there, no, I am not blind! Actually, if I try hard, I could see some numbers in those clouds, Arabic numbers, more clear than anything else. Nonetheless, love is something God taught us through scripture and we have that in writing toward all His creations, each one of us just have to bring it in our daily practice. It is nice that you read "love" in everything though like these clouds. I call it power of God. God's reach and God's work is everywhere, in everything. 6:59 (Y. Ali) With Him are the keys of the unseen, the treasures that none knoweth but He. He knoweth whatever there is on the earth and in the sea. not a leaf doth fall but with His knowledge: there is not a grain in the darkness (or depths) of the earth, nor anything fresh or dry (green or withered), but is (inscribed) in a record clear (to those who can read). Hasan
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AnDe Newbie Joined: 07 September 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10	Posted: 16 August 2012 at 7:29am
	Hi Honeto , I know , I cant understand it Honeto , obviously you can tell by my confidence in what I say , that it actually stands out bold as day to me , otherwise I wouldn’t be making a fool out of myself here , but , if making a fool out of my self is in ways of seeing Gods Love , well, it is worth it : ) …. Btw ,, your comments are very very respectful Honeto, and im so glad you stopped by to help me with this, and I thank you for your comments , for as ive said before, I feel kinda strangely cozy in this forum No one whos seen this on the net can see it , no one. Theres only a few at home whom ive shown can see it. Over the last weeks it has been sending me daft , I mean , am I insane ? I think , am I over obsessed to the point of even being delousionary about how much I believe in God and The Spirit of God . So ,, forgive me , I will give this one more try , and I promise I will not post my what might be insane comments on this site no more ,, hahhahahahah ,, unless someone can actually see this , lol .. ( only joking Honeto , you cant get rid of me that easy , I want to learn so much of you all in here ) Anyway , last try … all I altered on this was the colour , brightness, enlarged it , printed it , copied it , tried n tried to get it to an exposure that looked better … but failed I guess, haha , here goes nothing ……. The next 2 pics, , We believe in God don’t we ? , please believe that whilst I was getting the cam, the cloud was getting gently blown away , the L had faded a little, n the O , and the E had got blown a bit , but when It appeared it said it bold and clear , that’s why I went to get the cam , give God the doubt , let him in Gods Love is very subtle, very gentle , very peaceful , and even at times where we think it isn’t there , its only cause we aren’t peaceful enough to listen to it , and even if we cant see it , Gods love is always there. With peace , and much respect to all who use this forum , and all And very much with LOVE for All De Edited by AnDe - 16 August 2012 at 7:35am
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 22 August 2012 at 12:10pm
	De, I did not mean to put you in a test with the words love in those clouds. We all believe in love of God for us and for all. God's love and glory is manifest in so many ways that we are unable to count. I am always skeptical of those who try to find word " Allah" written in a potato, or picture of Jesus in a tree, or word love in clouds. I believe there is love of God, in everything we see and experience on a daily basis. I just enjoyed a juicy and yummy peach, there is God's love and Mercy in it. Yesterday, the sunset was so beautiful, the clouds, the colors, there was God's love and glory in that scene, not to mention the eyes that were able to see, enjoy and appreciate all because of God's love in form of those eyes. It is God's love and His guidance that shapes the lives of believers to live by what is declared to them as lawful and to avoid what is declared unlawful for them. It is love of God that He has given us capabilities to think and advance to make use of what is in the earth. I can go on, but I hope I am able to convey the message. One way to show our love back to our maker is to obey Him and His commands. And to fulfill our obligations toward His creations that surround us which of course requires loving first. Hasan
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AnDe Newbie Joined: 07 September 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10	Posted: 23 August 2012 at 5:51am
	Hi Hasan , I very much agree, I too have been in a sceptical air throughout the past, where poeple have found Jesus's face in trees , and Allahs name in fruit , just a stroke of luck, and imagination, I used to think. And no sir , I never felt like I was being tested, forgive my relentless hope to try to let people see what I saw, i never had the camera last year for what i saw then ,it was a cross between wanting to let the world see some proof of God, and also an earnest desire not to keep Gods Love to myself, but to share it with the world where it belongs, for some I think, when they have had experiences of God, try to keep it to themselves, and promote a " listen to me, i know the way " kinda attitude, and use it for thier own gain. Anyway , I accept that not all see it , but I am very much at peace now about that, I have no desire to try and put this picture now other than the 3 places it sits, im sure that it will mean something to some in the future. One little thing, before I leave this cloud subject, later on that same evening , maybe a hour or 2 after i took that Love pic , as the sun set , this massive heart shaped cloud hung in the same area of sky, i was that stunned, i actually dropped my drink on the floor, a big fluffy heart , glowing orange and red in the sunset. I didnt photo this, it just settled me so warmly and peacfully , and indeed as you say " God's love and glory is manifest in so many ways that we are unable to count. " Listen to him and obey him I do , which is why Im here , and to move this conversation forward now constructively , but very well led in by the cloud convo , may I ask Hasan , and others .. WHAT IS LOVE ? This question used to go through my mind for years before my awakening, I used to say that no one could say what Love is, cause you can fall in Love at any time with anyone , and no one else can judge your Love to be right or wrong. It wasnt untill I met Da , someone who with Love grew so strong , she was so true ,and so full of Spirit. I fell deeply in Love with this girl , for to me she is my mirror, and I hers. I will use the word LOVED , for i talk about at that time , our Love is stronger and greater now , and i still LOVE her , but for the text in this i use LOVED , ... , I loved her as my sister , I loved her as my daughter , I loved her as my mother , I loved her as my familly , I loved her for her charecter , I loved her for how she helped , I loved her for her beauty , I loved her as my best friend , I loved her for her delicatness and sweetnes , I loved for her actions, I loved her for her ways , I loved her for so so many more reason, every day , 3 years ago as we met , we found another layer of Love , another reason to Love her. My old saying developed over the last years , at that time, well, I could now elaborate what LOVE IS. LOVE is many things , in many ways , and of many dimensions. The more different layers of Love you have in a relationship , the stronger your Love. We used to think that our LOVE was that full in different ways that it had actually reached the stars in depth and richness, it was LOVE, and then BAMMMMMMMMMM .. GOD ripped my blindfold off and had me on the floor in a cross between tears and joy , as the full Spirit of God hit me with awareness , as Da , my good lady , sent me this . 1 Corinthians 13 and Ephesians 6 , the relevant part to this conversation being ⁴Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. ⁵It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. ⁶Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. ⁷It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. ⁸Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. ⁹For we know in part and we prophesy in part, ¹⁰but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. After settling down, months later, from my first HIT of God , it is now my main true saying , that it is easier to say what LOVE IS NOT , than say what Love is , and LOVE Hassan is definately not self seeking , and any who seek God to fullfill thier own human desires will not find Gods true word. PLEASE Hassan and ALL , may you now please help , for as said , the reason Im here is I walk the path to unity and peace , and I cannot understand why all scholars quible and argue between religions , over who said what where and when , instead of agreeing in the common things , and agree that GODS LOVE IS EVERYWHERE , we already have unity : ) Could some fine Islamic scholar please tell me , is there , as i fully expect , a passage, or passages , in the Qur'an , that say similar , as to what LOVE IS NOT , or what Love is , and if so , couldl you possibly put a link up for me to read , an english version of the passage / s We all will move forward , and I am of full Faith in God enough to believe that the future is Peace and Unity , and these that go on about The End Times , are living in confusion of their own minds, For folk say , if God exists , why is there so much suffering , but I think youll find that most of the suffering is man made , and anger is of Man, and Love is of God. With prayers thought and thanks for ALL good people alive today With prayers that all who feel hate or anger may sit still to feel Gods real Love, and find peace within themselves. With prayers thought and thanks to all the great masters of the past , whos teachings and writtings are still heard so clearly today With prayers thanks love respect admiration full faith and great acceptance ,i give the greatest thanks and praise to GOD Peace is ours who live in Love and Truth , as so many do on this forum. Edited by AnDe - 23 August 2012 at 1:21pm
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 29 August 2012 at 2:45pm
	AnDe, now that we are talking about clouds, I guess each one sees what they like. Take my 15 year old, who was into dinosaurs since she was 1. She would see different kind of dinosaurs in clouds. She will tell me this one is this and that one is that. My other daughter likes baking and she sees cupcakes and muffins and cakes. i myself is a fan of beauty in nature, so I see in clouds beauty. Also being a photographer, I see all kind of subjects when I compose a frame with clouds. Truly in everything there is beauty, All we can say is "Praise God, the most High". The only thing that must worry about is what will really affect our future life that will be eternal. This life is temporary, from king to the beggar all will die one day. How we perform our roles we are given in this life will determine where we end up. God has spoken to us through the prophets and given us word of guidance. We must explore and find what that guidance is. And we must not invent our own ideas, as we have only limited knowledge. We must trust the All knowing and obey Him, not our own desires or what comes out of our mind, if we really care to save ourselves from mistakes and eternal loss. Hasan Edited by honeto - 29 August 2012 at 2:49pm
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