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Posted: 22 October 2012 at 1:18pm

Originally posted by Kish

Originally posted by Honeto

ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO
PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R
R U P T E D!

And I am HAPPY to say NO Muslim have been able to show and prove by providing an original form of the Torah and Injil other than what we already have today!Until any Muslim can provide a so called uncorrupted version of the Torah and the Injil other than what we have you will never have peace.

Kish,
I did not think that you will resort to fraud when discussing religious matters on this forum.
I never use caps in my replies and those are not my words on this page anywhere. How did you write something as a quote appearing as if I wrote it. I did not write what you quoted of me above.
Care to reply my post above? or is it something that caused you to seek fraudulent ways so you could dodge some real questions and issues!
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 22 October 2012 at 8:29pm

Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Kish

Originally posted by Honeto

ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO
PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R
R U P T E D!

Greetings Hasan,

Not my problem, but just my perspective...
Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake?
Why do you immediately go to accusing people?
I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... Ermm

Salaam,
Caringheart

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Abu Loren
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Posted: 23 October 2012 at 2:27am

Originally posted by Kish

Oh stop whining will you. Abu Loren said all Muslims, so I thought you would agree with him. In any case you do agree with his statement though correct?

But what happened to this "uncorrupted version" that Muslims fantasize about? When and where did it happened?

You mean 'all' powerful Allah could not preserve one "uncorrupted version" of his word, not one version? But, now he can preserve the plagiarized Quran, what changed?

How utterly convenient then for Muhammad to use this ploy to deceive his own people to believe this false lie. I see why that wicked angel who Muslims call Gabriel clocked Muhammad many, many, many times over before he even listened.

It is for the Christians to produce the 'original' and since they can't and can only produce copies of copies of copies...eternally then the onus is on you.

What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh).

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Posted: 23 October 2012 at 10:58am

Originally posted by Abu Loren

What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh).

Greetings Abu Loren,

You must keep telling yourself this, for if not, you would have to abandon Muhammad.

You really ought to read the words of Jesus and then make an opinion.

Salaam,
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Posted: 23 October 2012 at 11:24am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by Abu Loren

What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh).

Greetings Abu Loren,

You must keep telling yourself this, for if not, you would have to abandon Muhammad.

You really ought to read the words of Jesus and then make an opinion.

Salaam,
Caringheart

I know what I'm talking about. I used to be Christian.

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Posted: 24 October 2012 at 10:34am

Originally posted by Caringheart

Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Kish

Originally posted by Honeto

ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO
PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R
R U P T E D!

Greetings Hasan,Not my problem, but just my perspective...Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake?Why do you immediately go to accusing people?I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... [IMG]smileys/smiley24.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" />Salaam,Caringheart

Caringheart,
Kish has typed in caps words that I never typed, and then he has put them up as if I wrote them and then he is replying to them. Do you get it?
That is fraud, am I wrong to label it as such?
When someone says you said something that you have never said, what do you call it?
Hasan

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

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Posted: 24 October 2012 at 12:21pm

Originally posted by honeto

Originally posted by Caringheart

Greetings Hasan,Not my problem, but just my perspective...Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake?Why do you immediately go to accusing people?I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... [IMG]smileys/smiley24.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" />Salaam,Caringheart

I actually have made the mistake of making a reply to the wrong person once. That person simply pointed out my mistake and I was able to correct it.

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Posted: 25 October 2012 at 3:07pm

An honest mistake, sorry. But you do agree with the statement Hason?

Originally posted by Abu Loren

It is for the Christians to produce the 'original' and since they can't and can only produce copies of copies of copies...eternally then the onus is on you.

What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh).

Huh, you are talking as if the Quran you have is not from copies, now that's really funny! And you know what is even funnier, the Old and New Testaments are older by almost a 1,000 years compared to the Quran but yet the Quran is from copies. That is why you do not have all the sura in the Quran you have now. Also, the original COPY was burned remember? Who would burn their own holy book unless their was something to hide.

On the other-hand, the Holy Scriptures have the backing first from God because he said he would preserve them, second from archaeology (Dead Sea Scroll) and third from eye-witnesses (historical testimonies)

Right from the start in the cave Muhammad has none of the above!

Brother, it is Muslims that the burden of proof falls on since it is Muslims who is making the false assumption. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

Edited by Kish - 25 October 2012 at 3:34pm

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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 22 October 2012 at 1:18pm
	*Originally posted by Kish* *Originally posted by Honeto* ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R R U P T E D! And I am HAPPY to say NO Muslim have been able to show and prove by providing an original form of the Torah and Injil other than what we already have today!Until any Muslim can provide a so called uncorrupted version of the Torah and the Injil other than what we have you will never have peace. Kish, I did not think that you will resort to fraud when discussing religious matters on this forum. I never use caps in my replies and those are not my words on this page anywhere. How did you write something as a quote appearing as if I wrote it. I did not write what you quoted of me above. Care to reply my post above? or is it something that caused you to seek fraudulent ways so you could dodge some real questions and issues! Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 22 October 2012 at 8:29pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* *Originally posted by Kish* *Originally posted by Honeto* ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R R U P T E D! And I am HAPPY to say NO Muslim have been able to show and prove by providing an original form of the Torah and Injil other than what we already have today!Until any Muslim can provide a so called uncorrupted version of the Torah and the Injil other than what we have you will never have peace. Kish, I did not think that you will resort to fraud when discussing religious matters on this forum. I never use caps in my replies and those are not my words on this page anywhere. How did you write something as a quote appearing as if I wrote it. I did not write what you quoted of me above. Care to reply my post above? or is it something that caused you to seek fraudulent ways so you could dodge some real questions and issues! Hasan Greetings Hasan, Not my problem, but just my perspective... Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake? Why do you immediately go to accusing people? I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... Salaam, Caringheart
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 23 October 2012 at 2:27am
	*Originally posted by Kish* Oh stop whining will you. Abu Loren said all Muslims, so I thought you would agree with him. In any case you do agree with his statement though correct? But what happened to this "uncorrupted version" that Muslims fantasize about? When and where did it happened? You mean 'all' powerful Allah could not preserve one "uncorrupted version" of his word, not one version? But, now he can preserve the plagiarized Quran, what changed? How utterly convenient then for Muhammad to use this ploy to deceive his own people to believe this false lie. I see why that wicked angel who Muslims call Gabriel clocked Muhammad many, many, many times over before he even listened. It is for the Christians to produce the 'original' and since they can't and can only produce copies of copies of copies...eternally then the onus is on you. What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh).
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 23 October 2012 at 10:58am
	*Originally posted by Abu Loren* What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh). Greetings Abu Loren, You must keep telling yourself this, for if not, you would have to abandon Muhammad. You really ought to read the words of Jesus and then make an opinion. Salaam, Caringheart
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Abu Loren Male Islam Senior Member Joined: 29 June 2012 Location: United Arab Emirates Online Status: Offline Posts: 568	Posted: 23 October 2012 at 11:24am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by Abu Loren* What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh). Greetings Abu Loren, You must keep telling yourself this, for if not, you would have to abandon Muhammad. You really ought to read the words of Jesus and then make an opinion. Salaam, Caringheart I know what I'm talking about. I used to be Christian.
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honeto Senior Member Joined: 20 March 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2340	Posted: 24 October 2012 at 10:34am
	*Originally posted by Caringheart* *Originally posted by honeto* *Originally posted by Kish* *Originally posted by Honeto* ALL MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THE TORAH, PSALMS, INJIL ETC WERE REVEALED TO PROPHETS. BUT THESE ARE NOT IN THEIR ORIGINAL FORM AS THEY ARE NOW C O R R U P T E D! And I am HAPPY to say NO Muslim have been able to show and prove by providing an original form of the Torah and Injil other than what we already have today!Until any Muslim can provide a so called uncorrupted version of the Torah and the Injil other than what we have you will never have peace. Kish, I did not think that you will resort to fraud when discussing religious matters on this forum. I never use caps in my replies and those are not my words on this page anywhere. How did you write something as a quote appearing as if I wrote it. I did not write what you quoted of me above. Care to reply my post above? or is it something that caused you to seek fraudulent ways so you could dodge some real questions and issues! Hasan Greetings Hasan,Not my problem, but just my perspective...Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake?Why do you immediately go to accusing people?I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... [IMG]smileys/smiley24.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" />Salaam,Caringheart Caringheart, Kish has typed in caps words that I never typed, and then he has put them up as if I wrote them and then he is replying to them. Do you get it? That is fraud, am I wrong to label it as such? When someone says you said something that you have never said, what do you call it? Hasan
	39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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Caringheart Senior Member Joined: 02 March 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1331	Posted: 24 October 2012 at 12:21pm
	*Originally posted by honeto* *Originally posted by Caringheart* Greetings Hasan,Not my problem, but just my perspective...Isn't it possible it is just an honest mistake?Why do you immediately go to accusing people?I can understand addressing the confusion... maybe ask a question... correct a mistake... [IMG]smileys/smiley24.gif" align="absmiddle" alt="Ermm" />Salaam,Caringheart Caringheart, Kish has typed in caps words that I never typed, and then he has put them up as if I wrote them and then he is replying to them. Do you get it? That is fraud, am I wrong to label it as such? When someone says you said something that you have never said, what do you call it? Hasan I actually have made the mistake of making a reply to the wrong person once. That person simply pointed out my mistake and I was able to correct it.
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Kish Guest Group Joined: 07 July 2011 Online Status: Offline Posts: 237	Posted: 25 October 2012 at 3:07pm
	An honest mistake, sorry. But you do agree with the statement Hason? *Originally posted by Abu Loren* It is for the Christians to produce the 'original' and since they can't and can only produce copies of copies of copies...eternally then the onus is on you. What you have today is the corrupted words and actions of Isa (pbuh). Huh, you are talking as if the Quran you have is not from copies, now that's really funny! And you know what is even funnier, the Old and New Testaments are older by almost a 1,000 years compared to the Quran but yet the Quran is from copies. That is why you do not have all the sura in the Quran you have now. Also, the original COPY was burned remember? Who would burn their own holy book unless their was something to hide. On the other-hand, the Holy Scriptures have the backing first from God because he said he would preserve them, second from archaeology (Dead Sea Scroll) and third from eye-witnesses (historical testimonies) Right from the start in the cave Muhammad has none of the above! Brother, it is Muslims that the burden of proof falls on since it is Muslims who is making the false assumption. Remember, innocent until proven guilty. Edited by Kish - 25 October 2012 at 3:34pm
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